What is Capitalization?

[Campo]

Can someone provide a clear explanation of Capitalization? I've read the documentation but still don't understand it.

First, exactly what is it and/or what is it for?

Second, a couple times when I've tried to "build" it, it never seems to get completed. The menu says "Capitalization - 12 turns (for example), and I choose it. Then I build it for about 30 turns, it seems, and it's still not done. What does it take to complete it?

[Ming]

Capitalization doesn't build anything.

What it does do is give you one gold for each shield that the city produces.

It is meant to be used when you having nothing else that you want to build, or if you need quick gold.

It will never be "completed" because it continues providing gold as long as you are in it. It shows a number of turns to completion, for consistancy purposes only

[Oldman]

Capitalisation is Civ2 is a representation of how a society will perform should it lend itself to totally capitalist ways. No longer building boats, or equipment. Not building any one specific thing such as a library, colleseum or contributing towards a larger goal like a wonder. Where the city just becomes a capitalist city, full of shopping centres, macdonalds, clothes shops and the like with no other use but to produce money!!! But don't go getting me started on this, ok...


So, basically it's just as Ming said!!!

[DaveV]

An interesting thing about Capitalization is that it "freezes" the shields in your box. So if you have 200 shields in the box, switch to Capitalization, then switch back, those 200 shields are still there waiting...

[Oldman]

What did i tell you!!!! capitalization is the Devils work?!?!?

[rah]

DaveV, I was hoping that no one would mention that little detail. We can now expect Venger to come and announce that it is a cheat or a crutch for weaker players.

RAH
The ferrets are feeling mischievous

[Oldman]

Can we get Ming to delete this thread so Venger doesn't find it? "Miiiiinnnnnggggggggg!!!!!!!" are you out there???? ha ha!! i bet Vengers already forming his synopsis for the novel he'll end up writing about it?!?!


Edited: Curse my stupid touch-typing!!??!
[This message has been edited by Oldman (edited May 17, 2000).]

[Ming]

I'm here

And it doesn't matter if he sees it.
I look forward to all intellegent responses that add to the debate. These forums are meant to be a place to exchange ideas... knowledge... blah... blah... blah... snore...

[My Wife Hates CIV]

I sometimes get myself into slight problems when I place a few large cities into capitalization mode. All of a sudden I find myself needing that income!

[Ming]

I hear you MWHC. Sometimes, when I'm waiting for the next advance so I can build something new, I will put my cities with nothing better to do into capitalization. Then, when I discover the needed tech to build what I want, I really miss the money that was being generated by those cities

[Campo]

Okay thanks, I've got it. Simple enough now that I know.

Has anyone analyzed the tradeoff between capitalization and caravans/freight? When would it be advantageous to go to capitalization (as opposed to building caravans/freight and getting the trade bonus)?

[Oldman]

It would have to depend upon your distribution network!!! You really want to have 3 trade roots set up for each city anyway early on (ideally), if you could get your caravans to a city a fair way off quickly it might be worth it!! check out this site http://ltssg3.epfl.ch/~winkler/civ2.html it's got a couple of equations for the trade earned and cash bonus from trading!!!

Now your homework for this evening Campo is to write 500 words on which is a beneficial method of raising cash and why!!

[Scouse Gits]

The simplest possible analysis of 'value for money' from Capitalisation would suggest that in general it is a big NO NO.

In Cap you get 1g per shield, thus you can choose between 50+ gold or 1 caravan (where 50+ indicates the number of shields you need to produce to get one caravan - I guess the worst case would be a production of 49 shields ) Now that caravan is worth what?
200g if used to help build a wonder or a SS part, 125g if disbanded for some other unit, 100g (? not quite certain of this figure) if disbanded for a city improvement or trade, gold & beakers if used as a trade-route creator. I suspect even a lowly food caravan used as such (i.e. to provide food) will have an indirect value of more than 50g.

However, all the above can be irrelevent if you have a need for cash now...

Good civin'

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"CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor

[Steve Clark]

In most of my total warfare games, once it starts, I typically have half of my cities in Capitalization and the other half building military units. Esp. under the Fundamentalism crutch , I can easily build 6-10 attack/spy units per turn when I'm getting 1000+ per turn from Capitalization and tributes.

[Ming]

I will only use it as a very short term money fix, or when there is ABSOLUTLY nothing I want to build for a turn or two, or if I just want to ignore the city for the rest of the game