On the road to becoming an expert: Day 1

[Bird]

lol, seems I spoke too soon. Sorry guys.

rah, you rookie, quit embarrasing yourself.

[EyesOfNight]

What do you expect if you're going to tell me I'm wrong?

[Bird]

Well, one reaction might be: “Hmmm, rah, that’s odd, I’ve never experienced a game where the numbers didn’t work. No idea why that happens to you and Bird, but maybe it’s a configuration thing. Anyway, my strategy obviously requires that the numbers work, so if they don’t you are sol.”

I’m not sure how many games someone has to play to be competent to tell whether the numbers work during his or her games, but I’m pretty sure rah qualifies. You’ll note that although rah pointed out limitations on your strategy, he didn’t impugn your skill or the validity of your insights where the numbers are working like they are apparently supposed to work. All he said was, "hey, for some unknown reason, it doesn't always work."

[rah]

Well now.

Eyes, I've never played a game with you when you were using the Eye's moniker. Please list all the other name's you have used, and I'm sure I've never played them either. Ming has, but not me(and I'm not going to comment on his playing ability). SO what the heck are you talking about. And Since I bought MP the day it came out, there is no way you could have been playing MP longer than I. So what the heck are you talking about. And I'll bet I've played more MP games than you have, but unlike you, since I can't prove it, I'll let the other repeat the chorus.

EG, you ignorant slut.
(i apologize but I still love that line)

We've been blind clicking since the first day. IT DOESN"T ALWAY WORK. IT may in SP, but I haven't played SP in years. Bird agrees and as more see this thread they will agree too, SO WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.

I thought your new persona was going to stay away from the egotistical ******* crap. Lighten up.

[Ming]

Well... add another to the list of people who has seen that it doesn't always work.
I've also played MP from the day it came out.. many, many, many games on different settings...

And sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. It's that simple. Why many of us have seen something different than you EG is a mystery... but I'm not going to call you an idiot because you disagree

Now what was that about a new and improved Eyes

[EyesOfNight]

I never said it was an improved Eyes, I just said I wasn't going to go out of my way to be a **** anymore. But you better expect something if you're going to tell me I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure I played in a game with you Ming and War4ever on one of your small as maps on Deity 2x1x. I am 95% sure. Either way, if you want to contest who is better we need only play a game. On second thought I don't think I'll be posting anymore strategies. It would seem that you all know more than I do and therefore I am but a rookie in the eyes of you experts. It clearly shows in the way I lose all the time and the way you win all the time. I can't compete with the numbers.

[Deity Dude]

I know that I have not played as may games as Eyes (enigmaticgod, korscyth, sean, etc. etc.) or RAH. In addition, the one I played against Eyes et al I lost and the one I played in against RAH and friends I was a definite 3rd behind RAH and war4ever. Having said that:

What exactly do you mean when you say it doesn't always work? Does the number change from turn to turn? Does it incorrectly assign multiple numbers to the same continent? I have never noticed it "not working" before but I'm not sure what that means.

Another interesting point about #'s is: If you choose a white civ you are very likely to get put on continent #1 surrounded by ocean #1, thus making it harder to predetermine your own coastline. I believe the farther down the list u go the more likely you are to not be placed on continent 1. This is a double edged sword though because the farther you go down the list the more likely you r to end up on an island or in the artic

[Deity Dude]

Eyes - um excuse me- EnigmaticGod, just curious, how many days is your course?

[rah]

God, grow a skin.

First off even you said pretty sure on playing, I'm pretty sure you haven't, So a draw.

I'm stating that sometimes it doesn't work. And I'm sure more will say the same thing. I don't know why it always works for you.
But you can't convince me it always works, so let it lie.

I never said I was better than you. I would never claim that, even if I thought it to be true. And I'm not here for a pissing contest. Here to talk stratagy, All I did was mention that it doesn't always work, and you started off on me, and like a jerk, I responded. ENOUGH. And I love your line that you said it was an improved eyes.

Yes, You're supposed to be one of the best, and I'll debate strats with you anytime in hopes of learning something, But NEVER assume that I'm some fresh newbie that hasn't played the game.

Come around on a Friday or Saturday and give us a try, I'd love to point out when it doesn't work to see if it is for you. I'm actually really interested in how it always works for you, because it's a heck of an advantage the first few turns if it is working, but it doesn't always for us. God, I'm repeating myself almost as much as ANNC does.

And I do want to continue to see your other DAYS, I've never believed the demo one, but you've seemed to written it a little clearer this time, and I seem to understand where you're going with it. (Because of the uncertainty of it, I'm not convinced of the value yet, Especially if the opponent gets a second city down quick, which is quite frequent in our Deity games) BUT THAT IS WHAT THIS Forum is all about, and to be honest, there hasn't been a lot of new stratagy discussion here in a few years. It's usually some newbie asking for the vet's help.

OK,
I'm done venting, and If I need to apologize, I will.

BUT I SWEAR IT DOESN"T ALWAYS WORK FOR ME.


RAH
Let's conintue the discussion please.


And Deity Dude, when I say it doesn't work I mean, one turn it will show an unexplored area, code "63" and you know it's working. But on another turn, you click on the same square and it's a "1" and for every other undiscovered square. We've tried to figure out what the pattern is for working an not working, but we've never succeeded. EG is right, it's a hell of an advantage and you can bet that I check to see if it's working at the start of every game. I may not be quite as anal as EG about checking everything, but if it's working I will check a few out before my first move.

[EyesOfNight]

"And Deity Dude, when I say it doesn't work I mean, one turn it will show an unexplored area, code "63" and you know it's working. But on another turn, you click on the same square and it's a "1" and for every other undiscovered square. We've tried to figure out what the pattern is for working an not working, but we've never succeeded. EG is right, it's a hell of an advantage and you can bet that I check to see if it's working at the start of every game. I may not be quite as anal as EG about checking everything, but if it's working I will check a few out before my first move."

63 denotes a lake square. You have to be precise in your clicking and take note of the coordinates. All you have to do is be off by a sliver and you'll actually be clicking on the next square. It's not working wrong, 1 just means it's land and 63 just means it's a lake. What's happening is you're not clicking on water, you're clicking on the main land mass. 1 works for land and for water. If you find a 63, it means there is land there and that you have clicked on a lake. It's one of the ways you determine the difference between the two main masses.

[drake]

Uh

Do you guys know how silly you sound arguing about whether or not clicking on black squares yields a correct reading or not?

Who gives a fuk?

[EyesOfNight]

Do you know how silly you sound when you're taking the time to tell us how silly we sound? If you don't find this important, why post?

[rah]

EG agreed, no offense drake.
But we haven't had a strat discussion to this level detail in a long time, so let us enjoy what we can.

Ok, last night, after reading your posts, I wanted to verify that I wasn't crazy. I set up some tests and was unable to not make the clicking show true.
But since I was unable to test with other people, I'm not quite willing to concede that I'm an idiot yet. I swear, I've seen turns where it didn't. I was aware of the land and water "1" so I don't think I got confused by that. (but since we play on small maps with large land masses, almost every square is a "1") I am usually very careful that I don't miss by 1 square, so I don't think that has confused me. But I will be real careful in future MP games and verify. It is possible that I've just been careless, but I not willing to admit it yet

Are there any other special numbers that you know of?

RAH

[EyesOfNight]

No, that's it. The number can never be wrong. Think about it. The numbers themselves are nothing more than part of the coordinate system. Does the coordinate system ever not work? There is no programming in the game that changes the numbers. The only way it can fail is to human error.

[drake]

No offense taken from you rah, but the opposite of engima (as in not mysterious in any manner) fellow can give up this "if you don't have anything nice to say don't say it act".

I've seen literally dozens of threads where the so-called "expert" has said nothing but "this strategy sucks" or "whoever thought of this strategy is a moron" or other comments of the same worth. So I'm just dishing a little sh1t back that he gave in the past.

Different name, same schmuck.....