The whole caravan thing

[VetLegion]

To DaveV...

Yes, I agree with the numbers you mentioned. It goes 6...12..20 or something. As I like to have more cities, I tried to counter unhappines with Hanging Gardens. Howewer after I have built them, something wierd happens...they start to riot, and when I take units out of them they calm down???
Anyone knows where I cold find more info about happiness calculation?

[Sten Sture]

VetLegion - I ran into the same thing this weekend. Anybody have a good answer?


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If you can not think of a really good reason why you should build something other than a caravan, build a caravan. - jpk

[finbar]

What's that? Taking units out of a city makes it happier? Or am I misunderstanding? I've never come across it.

SG - I've been accused of many things, but never of being a Cart.

Tell me, do you ever fight over control of the handle?

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[Sten Sture]

It could be that the city with the most disorder was moving somewhere else. I wasn't thinking to check that at the time, but it should be possible to make the most unhappy city be the one you want it to be my tricking the program.... hmmmm.

[finbar]

Mmm. Just hunted through the Strategy Guide. The equation for calculating unhappiness against size of empire makes fascinating reading. If you're a Nobel winner for Maths.

Max Cities = Riot Factor - ((difficulty levelx2) x ((government divided by 2) + 2))/2)

Where:

the default value of Riot Factor = 14

difficulty level = a range from 0 (Chieftan) through to 5 (Deity)

government = 0 (Anarchy), 1 (Despotism), 2 (Monarchy), 3 (Communism), 4 (Fundy), 5 (Republic), 6 (Democ)

I have a headache.

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[Sten Sture]

Just like I thought!

LL

[finbar]

I was right all along. A little knowledge can be very very very dangerous to one's mental health.

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[Scouse Gits]

DAVE V

Thanks for the figures. Is there a similar set of magic numbers which suddenly stop cities from celebrating for no apparent reason? (Usually in fundy or monarchy)
My question applies to when the overall number of cities remains the same.

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[DaveV]

Sten Sture and VetLegion,

The key to keeping lots of cities happy with HG lies in exploiting a bug discovered by Matthew. Two cups (or HG) will convert an unhappy citizen to content, but they will convert a very unhappy citizen to happpy! So when you strip troops and lessen martial law, HG produces a happy instead of a content citizen.

Someone (Sieve Too, I think) had a very nice writeup about the happiness screen in another thread. I'm too lazy to look up the thread, but maybe someone more ambitious could track it down...

[DaveV]

finbar,

Sorry, but the formula you cite is bogus. I ran the numbers for Deity, and got:

Anarchy/Despotism: 4
Monarchy: -1
Republic: -6
Democracy: -11

I noticed that the formula has four left parentheses and five right parentheses. But there's something more fundamental: the government must be added to the number of allowable cities, not subtracted.
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[Xin Yu]

It can't be true that removing units from a city can ease riot. Maybe another city has just been built? or the luxury rate has been changed? or the configuration of citizens has changed (working on ocean instead of mountain)?

[Matthew]

DaveV:

IT'S NOT A BUG !!!!

at least I hightly doubt that it is. It makes huge civs possible.

[finbar]

Dave V - I copied it out of the Official Strat Guide. Of course, being one of the world's worst touch typists, I might've (and probably did) transpose something.

I'll check.

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[finbar]

Dave V - Just checked. And double checked. That's the equation that appears on p88 of David Ellis' Official Strategy Guide.

Guess he got it wrong. Pity. Well, more than a pity, it's bad. If I were more of a mathematician, I'd have a go at doing the calculation myself.

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[DaveV]

finbar,

Here's my guess:

Max cities = Riot Factor - difficulty factor*2 + (INT(government/2))*2

For non-programmers, the INT(government/2) part means you divide by two and discard the remainder.

Strangely enough, this produces the same numbers I gave above for Deity .