Is nuclear war underrated

[Genghis Al]

I am currently playing a game. Small world map, king. I started in south America the Persians in north. I am the Russians by the way. I killed the Persians with elephant stampede. I made Moscow my science city and the rest ISC one square apart caravan makers. Went trading, found the Greeks in Africa. They sneak attacked 3 caravans and paid with there lives. Then it was me (Americas, and Africa) and the French all of Europe and Asia. The French were very busy killing a lot of civ all game. Just me and them. But the thing was all of there 22 cities were 15-24. I only had 2 above 12. I had to stop them. So I got a big force. 3 howies, 6 tanks, 3 bombers, 1 carrier, 2 transports. Went over the sea and sneak attacked Paris. I had no problem with howies. The French split so Europe was Suox. Then the French built "it". The scourge of man. The Manhattan project. I had to build nukes or else I would be bullied by the French. So I did. After I while I used some spies to see what the French were building, wow, every city was making a nuke. I knew what I had to do. I took my 6 nukes into a sub. and pushed the red button of the coast of Asia. I hit 6 targets, then I let the tanks in Paris use the tracks to take it all. The French got pretty scared and peaced me. They had 1 city in Japan left. So before all the global warming and famine I had a great war. I say if you can organize and hit your enemy before he can do it to you... It is worth it.



That is just my opinion

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Ah man! Ghandi! New game.

-Genghis Al

[Aurelius]

Hey Ghengis,
Can subs really carry nukes or is this just a literary vehicle?

Aurelius

[lmstoudt]

Yes, they can.

[Genghis Al]

Yes subs can carry 8 I think missle units, Thats rockets or nukes.

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Ah man! Ghandi! New game.

-Genghis Al

[Aurelius]

Geesh, I have never used a sub this way. The help on sub doesn't mention this point but the description alludes to subs and nukes. Certainly makes sense! Maybe that is why the AI nukes reach my far away cities. Though I suspect (or it's been suggested) that they just have unlimited range.

Like Ghengis, I start scrambling when Manhatten Project gets developed. My spies are on supreme alert.

Someone once suggested that 5 Solar plants will offset most any global warming threat, but environmentalism is often the very last thing researched. I hate nuclear war! I'll sabatage the project if I'm able. Or I'll search and destroy cities with nuclear arsenals.

But does the AI every use subs to stealthfully deliver nukes like Ghengis? Very curious.....

Thanks, Aurelius.

[Genghis Al]

Well I don't know if the AI can/does use the sub thing. But when I was nuking the hell out of the french. They never nuked any of my cities back in america. And they had a much bigger army and nuclear arsenal (most of wich I destroyed in my nuke rain)



So I don't think they do that

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Ah man! Ghandi! New game.

-Genghis Al

[Aurelius]

Yeah Crustacian,

But how often does the AI use spies to plant nuclear devices--I'm afraid I've done this far more often than the AI

I had a game in which I really needed my ally to GO AWAY! They'd launched and I only had one or two parts built. So I took the spy and blew up a big city with three nukes. My civ was so powerful, that I wanted to get caught and wanted war with every other nation. We were the land of Howitzers and SDI and Stealth. Most annoyingly, we didn't get caught! So I had to usurp ally towns until a spy was caught. Then the fortuitous war commenced.

Aurelius the Magnificient (that day)

Oh, Ghengis, I can see that you take as much pleasure as I do crushing the AI. I wonder if we both talk to ourselves during battle....later comrade.

[SandMonkey]

I normally try and stay away from nukes. I have only ever gotten hurt by them. But the whole "Planting a nuke" works very well. I had a game where a civ launched thei'r ship and it was to land one turn before mine. I took about 10 spies and went after the capitol (which had SDI, of course). About the 4th or 5th one nuked the city, and i dropped a paratrooper in. Over and done, i won that game. So all in all Nuclear war is not underrated, it's very effective, i think people are just wary of the reprocussions of using this strategy.

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SandMonkey

"Fear can sometimes be a useful emotion. For instance, let's say that you're an astronaught on the moon and you fear that your partner has been turned into Dracula. The next time he goes out for the moon pieces, wham!, you just slam the door behind him and blast off. He might call you on the radio and say he's not Dracula, but you just say, 'Think again, bat man'"

[Crustacian]

Yes each solar plant neutralizes the effect ½ of 1 polluted square so they do help reduce risk of global warming.

I hate nukes!!! and mysteriously planted nuke devices which SDI can't protect from...

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The journey itself is the thing~Odysseus

[Genghis Al]

Yes yes... I do talk to myself. I like to talk during the nagotioations with my enemies. they say "our words are backed with nuclear weapons" I am sitting there saying yeah yeah, i will show you nuclear weapons. It gives me satisfaction.



I just won my first intended conquest!!! I always go for AC. Last game the nuke was won it for me. But my score was terrible becouse of low POP (famine) and horrible pollution. Do you get more points for winning early?



P.S. that conquest abination is terrible!!! I should show my tanks rolling it to a city or somthing!

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Ah man! Ghandi! New game.

-Genghis Al

[King Andre]

Genghis, you're missing a point, the AI USES the sub thing.


I first noticed that when Mongols blasted 9 of my cities in a single turn. I loaded the game again, toggled the cheat mode, revealed the map and I was amazed that Mongols had 3 submarines near my coast loaded with 6 nukes each! And all of their cities were off the range.


AI also uses submarines to carry Cruise missiles so that he can attack your battleships withoout the fear of losing them.


By the way, who uses Aircraft carriers?

[Genghis Al]

To me aircraft carriears are just plan transports.



I always thought the AI gets to cheat with the nuke thing. I knew they has the missles though, I have lost many a battleship to that.

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Ah man! Ghandi! New game.

-Genghis Al

[Aurelius]

So King Andre,

Does this mean the nukes are sleeping? I've often done spy investigation to see which cities have nukes, but I've never seen a sleeping nuke!

That must have been quite a shock--to be all out nuked. In those big mapped games, I'm pretty fast to put up SDI in my industrial complex in the homeland.

Now I'll always feel a bit of trepidation when I see a sub off the coast of my lands. And someplace on some podium, some world leader will be dangling a trinket dipicting a multiple warhead (Think it was Brezhnev? But that's twentieth century stuff.)

Aurelius

[Puaxant Tuvip]

Nuclear war is overrated in my opinion. It makes it too easy. Look at the ww79 scenario in conflicts in civ for a good example of the ai using nukes and subs. They also use nukes and carriers. You can nuke all of china the first turn and conquer china and make peace with the US while you build up an invasion force. Conquer New York's UN make peace and stage nukes, howitzers, mech. infantry, and engineers there. Very effective.

[Aurelius]

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[This message has been edited by Aurelius (edited December 28, 1999).]