WLTCD but no city growth??

[War4ever]

the -1 food from the unwanted growth to get there can as SG states be negated with a simple food caravan...

believe it or not, food caravans play a roll that is sometimes forgotten

[rjmatsleepers]

Originally posted by War4ever
the -1 food from the unwanted growth to get there can as SG states be negated with a simple food caravan...

believe it or not, food caravans play a roll that is sometimes forgotten

IIRC the food caravan fills the food store. At size 23 (or whatever) this will last a long time. But,

a) what effect does it have on supply and demand lists?

b) can it displace an existing trade route?

RJM at Sleepers

[Scouse Gits]

The food delivery will fill half the box and provide one extra unit of food per turn. If using this tactic to grow a city the granary is essential.

The city sending the freight will acquire a "food route" instead of a conventional trade route.

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SG(2)

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by rjmatsleepers

b) can it displace an existing trade route?

Sure........you can deliver it to unblock commodities, or in some circumstances you can use it to build wonders with pleasant results. Check out Solo's excellent section on trade in his guide.

[rah]

Yes, a growth can put you in a -1 situation. This happens less frequently in 2x production games.
When the cities get that big, if you had any type of food in the bin, or half full due to pyramids of a food caravans. The game usually ends before you would drop one pop.

RAH

[War4ever]

aint that the truth, a size 12 city takes waaaaaaaaay too many turns to completely drop in pop points...besides there is always the swtiching to food tile for aturn or two to offset

[rah]

Size 12 Try size 30, and that was single production so there is no extra switching. If you had 250 or so of these, maybe one would lose a pop point before the game ended. God, I hated those record point attempt games.

[War4ever]

hehe i thought we were talking mp.....which in itself would take a long time even for a little size 12 city... especially since our games never last that long.

i remember the record attempt days...one turn could literally take 45min-90min depending on just how meticulous you were....

putting everything on capitalization....... WIMPS!!!!!!

[rah]

The worst was when xin ming and I started looking at food caravan rotations for that little extra added pop. By then end, you were building food caravans in EVERY city, either every or every other turn. All of them had to be delivered and you had to pay attention somewhat. One night I played and only got one turn in. It was no surprise that I eventually launched the ship early (after passing Ming's current record), just to avoid shooting myself. And later when he surpassed that record, I didn't even try to beat it.
RAH

[War4ever]

you should have saved where you were and gone back and continued on....but that takes the fun out of it

[rah]

Trust me, there was NO fun involved at all.

And it would have been illegal according to the rules that ming and I had agreed to. You could not go back to a previous save and continue to change any strat/hut/combat. So once the ship was launched, there was no retrieving it. Launching that ship didn't relieve all the pain either. I still had to micromanage the finish. Arggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

[Straybow]

If you were smart it was "only" 5 turns. Screw the extra 300 points for the max ship value.

[rah]

In a points game the 300 is tempting. But even just 5 turns would have been a torture. (highlighting why I just launched the damn ship) I couldn't do more than 1 to 1.5 turns a session at that point. MIND NUMBING PAIN.

And you must remember, I only had one goal that game. Beat Ming's current record, so once I knew I had, it was time to launch and get it over with.

RAH

[Straybow]

Pride cometh before a fall, eh?

[rah]

Yep.
And nothing like a twin brother to get your competitive juices flowing.

RAH