Cheating in PBEMs

[klesh]

Well it is not as if I have been blasting around in TSFE without losses. A guy does need to take losses whenever he plays. If I showed you my casualty list and it said that I have captured the entire Balkans and Poland etc with the losses of 15 tanks and 3 infantry, then I would say that my methods of 'maximization' are like cheating. But here I shall show you. This is exactly 1 year (12 turns) after I invaded the Germans. See for yourself, it doesnt help that much.

It doesnt look very good in the propaganda report to say that "Today, 25 units assaulted Budapest, and it is now under our controll and being held by 3 infantry and a fighter." No, indeed I will try to make it seem as though I am unstoppable. Even the likes of Jaques Elul would tell you that

-FMK.

[MagyarCrusader]

OK Darius, I won't play like that. I haven't had much of a chance to do it anyway but I will avoid it in the future. However, if I do make keyboard errors in moving units in wrong directions I will reload the previous save.

It doesnt look very good in the propaganda report to say that "Today, 25 units assaulted Budapest, and it is now under our controll and being held by 3 infantry and a fighter."

Of course it doesn't look good! Commies, Nazis, Germans, Russians, Romanians, Austrians, Mongols, Turks... all need to stay the hell away from Budapest!

[klesh]

Heh, I'm Ukrainian... I'll be over shortly

[yop73]

I have some more questions:

-Is it allowed to reload a file, if you made peace with a certain person, but no yet with the AI, and then suddenly bump into a unit and then kill the unit??

-Is it allowed, when you discover the tech for a new government, that you test in which is the next turn for an instant revolt????

[Darius871]

Originally posted by yop73
-Is it allowed to reload a file, if you made peace with a certain person, but no yet with the AI, and then suddenly bump into a unit and then kill the unit??

Well I don't know what you mean by "allowed" since there's no real lawmaker here, but IMO that's ok, as is reloading when you move a unit off a road or railroad by accident.

Originally posted by yop73
-Is it allowed, when you discover the tech for a new government, that you test in which is the next turn for an instant revolt????

I don't know about that one; that seems to me to be the same as attacking a city just to see whether it can be taken; the revolt length mechanism is part of the game and you should have to take your chances.

[klesh]

So then you are saying that odeo years are a cheat?!?

-FMK.

[Darius871]

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[Choke]

odeo?

[germanos]

Every fourth turn you will get the option to change government.

[Darius871]

Yes I already knew that, but I don't know what FMK meant.

[Henrik]

The years that give instant revolution are refered to as Odeo years after the poster who found them.

[Darius871]

Ok then to answer his question, yes. Testing to see if it's an odeo year and then effectively hitting "undo" if it isn't an odeo year is the same thing as attacking a city and then hitting "undo" because the attack didn't work. Same thing. As someone said in another thread, world leaders do not have access to time machines, so why should we?

[Case]

Originally posted by MagyarCrusader
Of course it doesn't look good! Commies, Nazis, Germans, Russians, Romanians, Austrians, Mongols, Turks... all need to stay the hell away from Budapest!

You left out Australians
*starts preparing the Australian march on the Danube*

Re: admitting losses: I generally keep quiet about my defeats. It's better that your oponent is left in the dark about how and why some of their units took marginal damage

[klesh]

Strange, I might know for instance that I want to have a revolution on turn 4 of a scenario to break out of a crappy government. Figuring that turn 8 is 4 turns from turn 4 isnt magical, its addition. Some of these rules are going to be so hard to enforce.

I think we should attempt to compile a ballot consisting of every imaginable question we can think of, and then have a vote on what our community standards are.

The only way to keep it official would be to have it through the PBEM civgroup. I am with ANZAC in wanting more features and usefullness about that group, it has so much potential.

If rules are going to be universal, then we need a way to let everyone have a say rather than some debate in one thread, and more debate about another issue in another thread. Uniformity.

Do people in the civgroup agree to maybe comming up with ballot questions?

-FMK.

[Darius871]

FMK, I never said using your knowledge of the odeo mechanism is cheating. I only said "testing" with a reload is. If you know from SP or from experience with the scenario when those turns will be, then by all means have a revolt on them, that's something totally different and is... advantageous for you, not necessarily cheating. But they are two different things.