Victory Conditions

[Ming]

In games that are played to their conclusion or games where a concession is made, there is a winner and losser(s).

However, this is not the case in many games.
I've seen a ton of games where everybody claims that they are winning, even when it seems that they are getting killed.

It's obvious that the powergraph isn't the best way to determine who is winning at any given time...

What's the best way to determine who is winning

[atawa]

Play untill death off course

Certainly the most fun way (if you do the killing )

[Ming]

Originally posted by atawa
Play untill death off course

But after reading some of the threads around here... being killed doesn't seem to imply a loss

[atawa]

Y, your're right

You owe me a new keyboard btw as this one is full with Yoghurt.

[markusf]

Re: Victory

Originally posted by Ming
However, this is not the case in many games.
I've seen a ton of games where everybody claims that they are winning, even when it seems that they are getting killed.

well in anything other then 2x 2x the person who will eventually win is the person with the highest gold production, or massive shield production. Once railroads and cannons are discovered it just comes down to who can rush buy the most canons + engineers. Someone with 40 cities and 40 gold production has no chance against someone with 20 cities and 1500 gold production on 1x 1x. On 2x 1x they are also dead but it would take a bit longer..

[War4ever]

Funny stuff....i have been in the position of the SSC, SOL, ASTF etc.....and my oppoonent has leos and STWA and both of us are claiming victory (sound familliar RAH/Ming)

of course the reverse happens alot tooo

we need to continue these games though, no one will really know how strong you are until you punish them with troops....

Rich the other game when i took a few of BB's cities.i was surprised to see only one warrior defending a gold two squares from my capital.....needless to say my vet pults made short work of that city and of the 12 legions he sent my way later

i have to agree with markus on the above statements, in x2 games its the guy with the most ciities who wins hands down.....

in x1 games it comes down to economic power in a different way

[rah]

Most gold production and shield production is an advantage, but you have to be able to keep the cities till you start your roll.

The pg is not acurate but it does point at some basic generalities. Very rarely is the person last in the pg able to claim he was winning. (not including "legends in their own minds" types)

I would like us to come up with some type of scoring that would provide some type of victory conditions/objectives that might add some spice to one night sessions. I'm sure we could argue them for a few years

RAH

[War4ever]

Originally posted by rah


I would like us to come up with some type of scoring that would provide some type of victory conditions/objectives that might add some spice to one night sessions. I'm sure we could argue them for a few years

RAH

those are called scenarios...some were even shipped with the game

[rah]

I was thinking something more generic silly. And scenarios with preset maps are still that, preset maps. I enjoy the exploring aspect of the game too much to give that up.

Maybe points for capturing the enemy capital, etc.

RAH

[War4ever]

this opens up a whole can of worms.....we can hardly agree on settings much less victory conditions but i do agree in theory

[rah]

Toss out some Ideas like.
5 points for every tech.
20 points for every wonder.
50 points for taking an enemy capital
20 points for taking an enemy city.
5 point for every 100 gold
1 point for every pop point.
1 point for every military unit.

By next year, I'm sure we'll come up with something.

[War4ever]

i can see it now, all of us under the heavy influence of god knows what......tallying up the scores like yahtzee...

everyone screaming out how many points they have....the game ends up like an aussie bruhahaha

sounds great to me..when can we implement this

[Ming]

Originally posted by War4ever
i can see it now, all of us under the heavy influence of god knows what......tallying up the scores like yahtzee...

After our last match war... I couldn't even see straight let alone count anything

While I agree a better point system is needed (that's why I started the thread)... I think people need to come to agreement on what things are the best for determing victory...

What rah suggests is a decent start... but I can just see people selling improvements on the last turn just to increase points...

[rah]

Originally posted by Ming
What rah suggests is a decent start... but I can just see people selling improvements on the last turn just to increase points...

Just make improvements count for a point.
But you're thinking in the right direction. Make sure the scoring doesn't promote screwy things. The old saying, "be careful what you incent. You may end up with something you didn't really want"

RAH

[rah]

And for you fall down drunks, etc. You could always wait for the next day to load the game and tally up the points. Then post them for arguements/bragging rights.

the yahtzee line was pretty good though.

RAH