City Bribing.

[markusf]

Originally posted by Flatlander Fox
I used to play city bribes, but then was appalled when I would lose entire civs to some trade-mongering ***hole who would wipe me out in a turn or two.

I need all the protection I can get .

For some reason not to many people want to play bribing anymore.. I played a 7 player a week ago on the zone.. horrid start, only had 5 cities at 2000 bc but i made 800 gold a turn from taxes.. Destroyed a civ every 3 turns after that

[DrFell]

I play on the zone, and I'll play bribes, but almost noone else does.

[SlowThinker]

Originally posted by finbar
It should be noted that I've posted a couple of these formulae from the Strategy Guide over the years and some of the arithmetically-inclined posters have questioned them.

Could you post them again?

[finbar]

Markus has already posted the city bribe and trade formulae (in another thread), I've posted the unit bribe formula - what else would you like?

[SlowThinker]

Originally posted by finbar
Markus has already posted the city bribe and trade formulae (in another thread), I've posted the unit bribe formula - what else would you like?

my order:
Corruption, waste,
the system how the red/black hats arise due to city number (for example, we know that deity under despotism causes that first 4 cities have 1st citizen content. But we don't know the formula that reveals number of red/black hats for higher numbers of cities)

[finbar]

Ask and ye shall receive!

Corruption

Under most systems of government, the corruption and waste experienced by a city increase with distance from the capital. The formula:

Corruption = ((Trade x Distance) x 3 / (20 x (4 + Government))

Where:

Government = 1 (Despotism), 2 (Monarchy), 3 (Fundy), 4 (Republic), 0 (Communism and Democracy)

Distance = the city's distance from the capital (diagonal squares count as 1.5 squares). The maximum value of Distance = 36.

Government = Government + 1, if the city is celebrating "We Love The * Day".

Distance = (Distance x 2) + Difficulty Level (possible values = 0 through to 5), if the government is Despotism.

Waste

Waste is calculated based on the city's surplus shields. It doesn't take into account shields utilised to support the city's units. The formula:

Waste = ((Shields x Distance) x 3) / (20 x (4 + Government))

The modifiers are the same as for the Corruption calculation, except the maximum value of Distance = 16.

Happiness

The number of cities you can control without experiencing additional unhappiness is based on a number of factors, including the difficulty level and type of government. The formula:

Max. Cities = Riot Factor - ((Difficulty Level x 2) x ((Government /2) + 2))/2)

Where:

The default value of Riot Factor = 14

Difficulty Level = a range from 0 through to 5

Government = 0 (Anarchy), 1 (Despotism), 2 (Monarchy), 3 (Communism), 4 Fundy), 5 (Republic), 6 (Democracy).

So there you go! If you want the formulae for the calculation of resource and population pollution, they're here, too.

Remember, one or more of these formulae have been questioned by algebraically-inclined posters before today. I just can't remember which ones.

[rah]

So world size doesn't effect either?
God, my memory is failing.

RAH

[finbar]

According to the formulae, no. But, from memory, map size does impact on tech turns.

[rah]

That must be what my feeble mind was thinking.

RAH
Just another senior moment

[finbar]

Actually, I'm now inspired to hunt through the book for a forumla for tech research to see what effect the map size has.

I have to tell you, though, transcribing all these brackets and + and - and / symbols is sending me cross-eyed!

Okay, so it's causing me to roll my eyes. Near enough.

[finbar]

Mmm. There's no formula - per se - for tech acquisition. Under Map Size, it just says that the larger the map, the amount of time required to research techs is subtly altered (increased). Interestingly, the increase is predicated on the thinking that, the larger the map, the longer the game.

The only stats given, which I think I've posted before, apply to difficulty level. The Science Increment - the modifier used to help determine how many light bulbs are required to discover the next tech - is as follows:

Chief: 6; Warlord: 8; Prince: 10; King: 12; Emperor: 14; Deity: 14. With the rider that the Deity number may be adjusted +1 or -1 depending on how far ahead (or behind) you are in research. This, I assume, applies to SP games.

The AI's Science Increments are different:

Chief: 14; Warlord: 13; Prince: 12; King: 11; Emperor: 10; Deity: 10. The higher the level - assuming the better the human player - the more help the AI gets.

[deity]

good work finbar, but I think the Happiness formula is missing something or brackets are wrong. Try entering figures into it...

[finbar]

That might be the one that one of the algebraically-inclined posters shot down last time. I will, though, double check what I typed against what's in the book.

[SlowThinker]

Thx, finbar.

Pollution formulas are at CivFanatics.

Max. Cities = Riot Factor - ((Difficulty Level x 2) x ((Government /2) + 2))/2)

So no formula that would define >number of additional red/black hats< in relation to >number of cities< ? Only the first city that riots is defined?

[finbar]

ST - that's the only formula in the book that refers to unhappiness. Deity, in the post above, has queried the formula. I've double-checked what I typed against what's in the book. I typed it correctly. From memory, whomever queried it last time might have queried the number of brackets. I'm no maths expert, but there do seem to be a lot of brackets.