Why do you Cheat

[Ming]

Inspired by the discussion going on in another thread...

For all you cheaters out there:

1) Please explain why you do it
2) Explain all the different cheats you use
3) List examples of the people that you most recently cheated and what you did
4) Give an example on how cheating made you number one in any of the ladders
5) Explain how cheating makes you more popular with the girls and adds to your felling of self worth.

Feel free to add your own questions to the list.

I'm sure this thread will get lots of posts
But you know what they say... confession makes the soul feel fresh and alive again...

[rah]

Re: Why do you Cheat

Originally posted by Ming
I'm sure this thread will get lots of posts

Yep, I bet we'll see all the cheating posting.

[Eyes_Of_Night]

1) I did it because I wanted to see how it works. I wanted to see if I could do it and get away with it and see how well it works. Yes what I did was wrong, but most of what everyone knows today is from what I learned. Plus I have given back to the community not just knowledge of how people cheat and how to catch it, but I've written lots of strategies on how to play the game better so in a way I've paid my debt.

2) There's lots of ways to cheat. Easiest and hardest to detect is hex editing. Lets take Kuja for example. He used to, and still does, use a hex editor to give himself gold. What he would do is when he got a hut that contained a tech or was empty he'd give himself 100 gold. So when you look at a saved game you'll see him get a hut with 100 gold which on first sight is completely valid. But then you'll also see him get tons of huts like this and even get 100 gold plus techs which is how he was caught...again...and again. Very difficult to find unless you look very closely at the saves and save every single turn.

3) The last person I cheated was Carnide back in the summer of 99. I gave myself gold to buy the pyramids. I still don't agree that riot factor is a cheat. Perhaps ethically wrong, but not technically cheating.

4) When I cheated carnide the league points had been reset, alot of the players had left, including kaak, and I was kind of in a lull of boredom with the game. So being an immature 16 year old I decided to start "experimenting" with some things. So to answer the question...I never needed to cheat to get to number 1 and I have the strategies and knowledge to prove it.

5) After my incident I couldn't shake the girls off with a stick. They were all over me, just couldn't get enough of me. I guess that's what happens when you become famous. I can't go anywhere now without signing an autograph or getting my photograph taken.

So...who wants to be next? I know who you are, you know who you are, everyone else knows who you are, why not give it a shot?

[Ming]

Originally posted by EyesOfNight
5) After my incident I couldn't shake the girls off with a stick. They were all over me, just couldn't get enough of me. I guess that's what happens when you become famous. I can't go anywhere now without signing an autograph or getting my photograph taken.

But seriously... thanks for your answers... so as you say...

Who's Next

[SlowwHand]

Oh bull**** Eyes. Partial confessions are still lying.

Some people don't disclose starting with techs.
I probably wouldn't care if they would just say so.
Starting with premade maps that one calls random, cheating.
Again, just say so.
I don't understand how a Cheater feels any sense of accomplishment.

[Eyes_Of_Night]

I'm going to assume you're referring to me.

"Oh bull**** Eyes. Partial confessions are still lying.

Some people don't disclose starting with techs.
I probably wouldn't care if they would just say so.
Starting with premade maps that one calls random, cheating.
Again, just say so.
I don't understand how a Cheater feels any sense of accomplishment."

Partial confession? I'm sorry, did I leave something out?

Obviously premade maps that are called random are cheating...are you saying I do that? Are you referring to the tribe game with kuja and Markusf? Again, clear precise thoughts would really help...but looking back you've never been very good at that.

[Eyes_Of_Night]

And one more thing, are you trying to list things that I left out? Obviously I didn't list all the ways of cheating, nor do I feel like writing a book.

[rah]

I applaud Eye's honesty. I did expect it since he has been pretty forthright in the past. I won't nitpik.

Slow, were you specifically mentioning eyes on that 'starting techs' accusation, or was that just a general one?

Since I host most of our games, Starting techs and premade maps is never an issue. (for me anyway )

I must admit, once I was tempted to say I had a tech since my start looked pathetic and a restart would have looked good, but I couldn't do it.

A long while back, I did sometimes load a game between sessions to peek because I assumed everyone was doing it. But once we discussed it, I stopped. Now I only peek at games that I know will never be continued. (which is unfortunately most of them)


RAH
THe beauty of Deity/Raging, no empty huts.

[Ming]

Yes... four thumbs up for Eyes...

Now, I dare ANY other person that used to cheat and was caught to be as honest as Eyes! (oh... and those that still do too)

Come on... BRING IT

[SlowwHand]

Since I started a new "paragraph", I was switching subjects; as Eyes knew I was, and noted in his reply.I never meant to insinuate he was the only Cheater.
Yeah, an "honest cheater" is to be applauded, (Same paragraph, same thought process, same subject noun).

[ColdWizard]

my guilt consumes me...

1) i was desperate, severely outnumbered and being attacked from all sides, suffering crushing defeat after crushing defeat
2) i created extra units for myself
3) i cheated the Axis, Russians, Allies, French, Neutrals, and Spanish in spring and fall of '43. i created veteran armor near London, New York, Paris, Marseille, Madrid, French Northern Africa, Egypt, Moscow, Berlin, Vienna, and used those units to attack.
4) it didn't, it was just a scenario... not that that's an excuse
5) i'm not sure what "felling" means, at the time i felt fully justified but later i came to deeply regret my actions by cheating while leader of the Turks in the WW2 scenario at deity level, and robbing the AI of it's rightful victory and gaining a cheap 700% victory




i've also peeked at maps, but only after it was obvious that i lost/would lose and that there wouldn't be a continuation of the beatdown

[Scouse Gits]

Ming/Rah...roughly what percentage of people you have played would you suspect of cheating?

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SG(2)

[Ming]

Originally posted by Scouse Gits
Ming/Rah...roughly what percentage of people you have played would you suspect of cheating?
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SG(2)

Very Very Very small percentage. Remember, we play for fun... no ladder... no league... just a bunch of people getting together to enjoy a night of civ. There really isn't any incentive to cheat.
I win some... Lose a bunch... what difference does it make as long as I can play. I've seen a couple over the years, and after reviewing the save files, just stopped playing with the offenders.
No threads on Apolyton... No public outcry... just stop letting them in the game with many excuses Again... we do it for fun.

Oh... and CW... I still haven't peaked at that duel game yet

[War4ever]

The unfortunate thing about playing a cheater is that many of us don't know how to look for cheats and/or can't be bothered too....certainly this is the case for me....

having played all the greats , losing and winning in the process, i feel as though most of them played honorably....

i am sure a few cheated when they won....and i would even imagine that a few cheated and lost.....but if i believed that everyone i was playing from the Zone, Gameleague, or Apolyton was cheating , i doubt i would spend a friday night gaming anymore.

key is too find people YOU think are trustworthy.....either by word of mouth or by painstaking review......

I finally figured out how the won/loss ratio works too......

its not a loss if you concede b/c your starting position is 10 squares away from each other

its not a loss if your cap is taken out by barbs from a hut if your playing king level with the barb setting low

its not a loss if your opponent gets a tribe/nomad and you get horseback riding

its not a loss if you get bad hut luck in general

its not a loss if you start in the mountains and your opponent gets rivers

its not a loss if you concede before the change of the first millenium

i may have missed some

[Scouse Gits]

It's good to hear most are honest.

Assuming you're not up to speed with hex editing/hacking what are the best indicators that you are playing a cheat?

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SG(2)