Kuja, your dearest friend

[EyesOfNight]

This is just too much? Have you been to the gameleague site lately ming? The gameleague forum is completely dead. How is it cheating to **** around on a ladder nobody plays?

[EyesOfNight]

Whatever, I'm not going to get angry over this. You've been warned and eventually you'll find out just as I did. As long as he can't play on ladders, that's fine with me. If he cheats players on apolyton that isn't of any concern to me. I don't play the game anymore so I'm not going to lose any sleep over someone cheating some apolyton brats in a dead game.

[Ming]

Originally posted by EyesOfNight
I don't play the game anymore so I'm not going to lose any sleep over someone cheating some apolyton brats in a dead game.

As I explained over ICQ... If he cheats with our group (which is easy to catch, tedious, but easy) he just won't be allowed to play in the group anymore...

And as far as the game being "dead"... we still have a strong group of players who play on a regular basis... with NEW people still joining up. It may be dead to you, but not us.

We will probably be playing Civ II MP until Civ III MP comes out (assuming that Civ III MP is any good... a big assumption )

[Frank Johnson]

Ming you have my permission to make mentioning gameleague a banable offense.

[Spartan_RawB]

Eyes, I couldn't agree with Ming more on this one. Civing may be dead to you, and it was dead for you a long time ago when you decided to get into a different kind of "gaming" (one that involves pissing people off, cheating, etc. etc.) rather than just enjoying and appreciating the game as it is.

Civ 2 has a certain enduring quality to it. The reason is that there is simply no other game out there that will fill its niche, pure and simple. No other game offers the balance, the complexity, and the fun luck-element of MPG, and that's a fact. For me, civing will live on and I will continue to play it until Meiers et al truly come up with something better.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Frank Johnson
Ming you have my permission to make mentioning gameleague a banable offense.

ROTFLMAO...
Hmmm... maybe that isn't such a bad idea

[DrFell]

'A cheater calling somebody else a cheater... you just have to love it. You reported wins you didn't earn... That's cheating, pure and simple. Your reasoning for doing so doesn't make it OK...

'

The ladder is dead, I tried to resurrect it at one point after cf shut down, but the interest wasn't there. The last game was played months ago, the last one before that months before, the number of members has dropped down to the minimum before they stop getting removed for inactivity (ie noone checks there anymore). There have been only a few posts on the forum in months, a lot of people don't even look there anymore. The site is as dead as it's going to be, I just think it's justice of some sort to take Kuja off the top because he cheated so much getting there. By the way, after I reported the games I wasn't top. I had no intention of going top.

'And then your last point is even funnier... Eyes cheated less, so it's not as bad...
'

Well, if you think about it, it isn't. Cheating a couple times ever (even if done in a league, which they weren't) vs. cheating hundreds of times to get to the top of a ladder, coming back under several names (after banning) and each time denying the previous identity, and cheating under each one, in both fun games and league.

'Plus, you are only talking about the times they have been "Caught" cheating... not the number of times they may have cheated.'

Kuja's been caught cheating so many times, it's likely that it's a regular habit of his. My post was only touching the surface, as I said.

'This is great for entertainment value...'

Hehe, glad too see you're enjoying the show.

[Ming]

Originally posted by DrFell
Hehe, glad too see you're enjoying the show.

How can I not enjoy the show... Nothing funnier than watching the "fallout between thieves"

[War4ever]

actually this is one of the funnier episodes of "ladder TV" brought to you by our sponsors "the Apolyton Civilization Site"

Ming has hit the nail on the head .......

You guyz ALL have cheated or been caught for cheating at one point or another allegedly.

Eyes you have had so many monickers on poly, zone, and icq...i am sure you have had many ladder names as well.

true you still get a bad rep for the stunts you have pulled 3 years ago....but i am willing to believe that a man as talented as yourself has pulled the wool over the eyes of some noobs and/or some other unsuspecting players since then as well You have revolutionized the way the game was played so many times that i am sure you have had "tactics" which you used and no one else new about.

Dr. Fell, i hear your a great player, if your so good, why do you cheat ever? Once bitten , twice shy..... great players cheat in SP to "learn" what works and doesnt' so they can use it later in MP.
MP is about matching ones wits with another human, not about cheating someone out of their enjoyment of the game. It leaves such a hollow victory.

Now , i have played EON and Kuja before, neither of them cheated against me.....either that or i just couldn't detect it.....

Carry on though boys....these episodes are far more interesting than the old episodes or EON, Markus, Strat, and Co.....

doctored saves, text edits, premade maps, seen starting locations, we have a drama on our hands....

*Programs here! Get your programs here!*

*sells first one to Ming*

[Ming]

The good thing is... "ladder TV" can be found on multiple channels

Don't miss the rest of the show now appearing at:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41924

The entertainment never stops

[DrFell]

'Dr. Fell, i hear your a great player, if your so good, why do you cheat ever? Once bitten , twice shy..... great players cheat in SP to "learn" what works and doesnt' so they can use it later in MP.
MP is about matching ones wits with another human, not about cheating someone out of their enjoyment of the game. It leaves such a hollow victory.'

I never cheated in game before. The only 'cheating' I've done before was reporting on the league, which is now dead anyway, to take Kuja off no1 after he was found to be cheating regularly. Robbie would have you think otherwise though, according to him I'm the scum of the Earth, doctoring saves, lying, and trying to drive poor innocent Robbie and friends from the civ world. I just think you should all know the truth before he gets carried away with himself.

[Spartan_RawB]

Fell remarks:
"...according to him I'm the scum of the Earth, doctoring saves, lying, and trying to drive poor innocent Robbie and friends from the civ world."

Dang. I couldn't have put it better myself!

[Dank]

The live show is so much better.............go to the zone and see!!!!!!!

[CANNON FODDER]

"da da da da da its dirty laundry"

[rah]

Slightly off topic here, but the audience is probably appropriate.

As the host of quite a few games, the last few weeks, I've started to see something weird happen. During a players turn I will get a alert box on the screen that mentions contact with another civ. "it flashes so fast, I can't tell for sure what it says."
As with any contact, I quickly scanned the screen to see if there are any enemy units on top of a city that I might have to respond to. But I don't see any units, so I wonder if it's a diplo or some other 2x movement unit that has used it's second movement point to back off so I can't see it. BUT when I look at the foreign screen, I haven't made conact with that civ. STRANGE. I first saw this a couple of time a few years ago. But hadn't seen it since. But this weekend it happened a few times.

Has anyone experienced this before? Does anyone have an explanation for it? I'd hate to think with all this talk of cheating, that I'd have to get suspicious again.


AND finally on-topic. Just another reason why I refuse to enter serious competition. It's all about fun.

RAH