Saturday Night (USA) Diplo Game

[Frank Johnson]

The difference was, to my understanding correct me if Im wrong, that you never signed a formal peace treaty with the atlantians, but did have a formal peace agreement with the americans. I mean, even in a diplo game wouldn't you want treaties to protect you if your lacking of units couldn't?

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by CANNON FODDER

Well...I have been in as many "diplogames "as any of you and I never knew that having an undefended city was a cassus belli.

Hey Cannon, what name did you use before this one?

[Berzerker]

Hey Ozzy, what do you mean by roleplaying? I'm playing my role quite well - South Americans get invaded by bearded white guys from the east and get killed without putting up a fight, quite historical if you ask me...

[OzzyKP]

Wouldn't they be dark skinned Africans who are killing you without a fight?

[Rasputin]

seems to me that a few people have forgotten diplo games ar enot about winning. this was forgotten in HOTW2 and definatly happened here. Diplo is all about the stories not the actual winning of the game, but from what i read here, many civs just used their usual rapid expansion plans used in MP to win. No setting of agreeemnts with no-alliances. once the alliances in this game occured it became tribal. at least in HOTW 2 allainces broke and changed to keep world balnced.

i hope HOTW3 does not follow this route .

I belive civ3 when eventually a mp version appear swill suite diplo games far more ,

[Makeo]

Proud is the city of Tenochtitlan.
Here no one fears to die in war.
Have this in mind, oh Princes.

Who could shake the foundations of Heaven?


The people of the sun rejoice. The blood of our enemies runs freely and sustains the sun in its journey across the sky. The great Huitzilopochitli grows fat from the sacrifice of his Jaguar and Eagle knights as they embrace the flowery death.

A new day is dawning. The day of the Tenocha, the Aztec and even the lowly Indian. Those who oppose Huitzilopochitli and his earthly manifestation Makeozacoatl will bend over the sacrificial alter and watch as their hearts are fed to the fires.

Long have we watched our weak and impotent neighbors. Their false gods, their petty civilizations, bickering and whining. Watched their attacks on our people, our land, little realizing that the Tenocha welcome the xochiyaoyotl, welcome the battle, welcome the chance to rule the world.

Beware the Jaguar, Beware the Eagle, for they are death.



Huitzilopochtli, the warrior,
He who acts on high
Follows his own path...
O marvellous dweller among the clouds...
O dweller in the region of the frozen wings....
He causes the walls of fire to fall down
Where the feathers are gathered.
Thus he wages war
And subdues the peoples...
Eager for war, the Flaming One descends,
He rages where the whirling dust arises.
Come to our aid!
There is war, there is burning.

[deity]

Bravo Makeottle!

Those drugs Raz gave you are cool. I might try them out

My post to follow soon... at work at the moment and the site's been down.

[deity]

Originally posted by Makeo
Proud is the city of Tenochtitlan.
Here no one fears to die in war.
Have this in mind, oh Princes.

Who could shake the foundations of Heaven?


The people of the sun rejoice. The blood of our enemies runs freely and sustains the sun in its journey across the sky. The great Huitzilopochitli grows fat from the sacrifice of his Jaguar and Eagle knights as they embrace the flowery death.

A new day is dawning. The day of the Tenocha, the Aztec and even the lowly Indian. Those who oppose Huitzilopochitli and his earthly manifestation Makeozacoatl will bend over the sacrificial alter and watch as their hearts are fed to the fires.

Long have we watched our weak and impotent neighbors. Their false gods, their petty civilizations, bickering and whining. Watched their attacks on our people, our land, little realizing that the Tenocha welcome the xochiyaoyotl, welcome the battle, welcome the chance to rule the world.

Beware the Jaguar, Beware the Eagle, for they are death.



Huitzilopochtli, the warrior,
He who acts on high
Follows his own path...
O marvellous dweller among the clouds...
O dweller in the region of the frozen wings....
He causes the walls of fire to fall down
Where the feathers are gathered.
Thus he wages war
And subdues the peoples...
Eager for war, the Flaming One descends,
He rages where the whirling dust arises.
Come to our aid!
There is war, there is burning.

LOL!

I guess the true war monger has been awakened!

little realizing that the Tenocha welcome the xochiyaoyotl, welcome the battle, welcome the chance to rule the world.

The Aztecs always wanted war. Makeozacoatl is THE universal war monger and along with his running dogs and louts they clearly plan world domination...

[deity]

1710 AD

deity was not impressed.

Captain Deiticus had held back on him. His direct orders were to strike the yellow menace in 1700AD but now his ally, the Cantonese, bore the full brunt of the Aztec invasion and had now lost several key cities. But Deiticus was foolishly planning other missions, pre-occupied with this new menace in Africa. This was a foe not seen before by deity – a skilful and apparently peaceful opponent who had fallen to the dark side. Things were looking pretty grim for the Pacific Alliance.

You must strike before they all bear down on you!

Deiticus felt alone but was spurred on by the courageous Marshal Dangime and by the plight of the South Americans who are so clever and inventive. Deity’s old enemy was gaining the upper hand. Makeozacoatl, the master of attack had, even against the superbly defended Cantonese, still pushed through. Damn him.

And damn that Scipio. He’s got destroyers in the Indian Ocean thwarting advances there and he’d also tricked Hydey as a puppet in his master plan. The poor Americans have to now suffer the ravages of these uncouth Northerners. However, certain plans were now futile for Scipio had run back to the safety of his native Africa.

In all this Deiticus saw a shaft of light. He had an advantage with superior technology – a benefit for just a short period but it may be enough. He must stick to his plans, hold firm and be courageous. He would show deity that he was of the calibre of Captain Morant of old!! Yes, deity had told him more than he realised about this foe. He knew him. He knew how he thought. He hated him! Death to the evil alliance or martyrdom or indeed, deitification.

Was it possible for the Antarctic mission to succeed? Was their target Patagonia or Madagascar? Could the balance of world power shift to allow negotiations?

Would Hydey show his peaceful intent and cede South America back to the noble Berzerker?

What deals can be struck in this diplomatic world gone mad with war?

[Berzerker]

Hey Raz, since when are dip games supposed to be about "stories"? It seems some people have tried to introduce that aspect into these games even telling others they need to play along with their agenda. I thought dip games were about trying to reduce warfare to enhance diplomacy, but that is more illusory that reality. I think the only way to achieve this is by limiting the territory that can be taken in 1 -3 turns and requiring people to cancel alliances with aggressors. Even if they don't attack the aggressor, not allowing free movement thru allied territory would be a deterrant. And we could further dis-allow gifting of money, units and cities to the aggressor by former allies forced to nullify the alliances. These restrictions could be removed once peace is made...

As long as aggressors are not penalized for attacking people, nothing of relevance has changed between a dip game and normal games.

Ozzy, the Carts were an offshoot of the Phoenicians, not black Africans.

To all - I can't seem to connect to ICQ so can Hydey or someone post the IP here for saturday? Hopefully ICQ will be back up by then, but who knows what's going on.

[Frank Johnson]

Looking at the situation, even Lord Dangime temporarily seemed less than his confedant self. However he was quick to point out to us that this wasn't a war just about Canton, or we would have never joined it..........

"In my many years of ruling this nation, I could image a hundred situations worse than this one. While the losses we have taken are painful, they are on the greater scale, insignifigant. Canton has always had this cruel fate to deal with. We can only rest assured in the fact that we have done the right thing. The enemy has taken up a task that can never be finished, and time will prove this to be so. Remember that we are not alone and why we are doing this."

[deity]

Fear not! THE DEITIANS are with you!

Originally posted by Frank Johnson
Looking at the situation, even Lord Dangime temporarily seemed less than his confedant self. However he was quick to point out to us that this wasn't a war just about Canton, or we would have never joined it..........

"In my many years of ruling this nation, I could image a hundred situations worse than this one. While the losses we have taken are painful, they are on the greater scale, insignifigant. Canton has always had this cruel fate to deal with. We can only rest assured in the fact that we have done the right thing. The enemy has taken up a task that can never be finished, and time will prove this to be so. Remember that we are not alone and why we are doing this."

My dear allies, in this, our darkest hour we shall not despair. We will fight to the death. The Pacific Alliance is not yet dead. The war-mongering hordes of the Western Alliance will find their match on the field of battle. They created this war through their diplomatic failings. The true intent of the Aztecs is now very clear and their Northern running dogs are almost certainly falling dutifully into line.... As for the Carts, well, they are a most unpredictable and unstable race - pretending peaceful intentions yet nearly wiping out the most peaceful nation on Earth! This will be their downfall. Their decision making is confused.

The clear and decisive resolve of the Pacific Alliance will prevail, lest the world end in total destruction.

[Hydey]

I am posting this from a mates house, my cable got taken out on Friday evening by a removal van and they still have not fixed it. I will therefore be unable to play this week. Feel free to get a sub if you can but I ask that the sub take instruction from Makeo and Cannon Fodder.

Sorry if this stuffs you guys up but believe me it is stuffing me up more, no internet, no phone, no cable TV.

[deity]

I vote we play on...

... at least till Dang's trurn in the current year, if the sub thing doesn't work.

My turn could be a long one, if I'm lucky, so may as well keep moving.

[Rasputin]

Originally posted by Hydey


Sorry if this stuffs you guys up but believe me it is stuffing me up more, no internet, no phone, no cable TV.

No smut downlaods !!!


Hey what time day this planned for maybe I can sub !!