Lets end this once and for all

[War4ever]

if the civ restart thing was on....civs still don't restart after 1500ad iIIRC..... this game looks suspicious to me as well...

the only thing i agree with about your observations Smash....is that being good at MP doens't mean your great agaisnt the ai...

although i think that is biased as well...most great players cut their teeth against the ai....

the food shortages are somewhat suspect... yes it could be done but this game would take along time to play....

seems bunk to me

[cavebear]

The location of "advanced tribes" would concern me. They almost never have a resource in the city radius, and most usually are set to avoid them. A game with advanced tribes showing decent resources would concern me...

[Hydey]

If someone wants to cheat against the ai, who cares. Now if he cheats in an MP game let us all know.

[Bird]

I voted yes, but then I read the rest of the topic and realized Eyes wasn't talking about himself. So please cancel my vote. I have no opinion.

[Smash]

its 1750 for no more restarts.

Advanced tribes often contain 2 resources.They just miss the middle of 4.

I can't open the map with my editor.It must be oversized.

This game tooks months.

I play chess against the guy and I sure hope he isn't as stubborn in that.

[Eyes_Of_Night]

Well first of all, it was a hand created map. The hut pattern is only broken by places where there is water. Also, look at the way the plains were put down on top of the grassland. That's not how the AI creates a map. At the very very least he used a premade map which is forbidden.

[Rasputin]

Not MP please move

Ming please move this to Civ 2 General this is obviously not MP related game ...

[deity]

I probably should know this but why is all his military approaching Trondheim from NONE cities?
Is this a sign of scenario building?

I get the food caravan thing to cover the deficits in each city. He's pumping out heaps of them.

[Rasputin]

Goto a real thread

no wonder you never post at HOTW, you too busy at other threads !!!

[Ming]

Food deficites don't really matter. When I cranked it over 20,000 I just lauched the ship because I was bored and had already beaten rah. You can run an amazing defict with food if you are delivering a food caravan EVERY turn to refill the box.

[Smash]

why is all his military approaching Trondheim from NONE cities?

bribed.

[General Maximus]

Eyes-you wanted the opinion of the readers of the multiplayer forums? you wanted the opinions of your "peers". then this topic belongs here.

Rasputin- in all the threads i've read, and all the posts you've made, you haven't really said anything. you are the little 12 year old kid at the party chiming in when you want to hear your own voice. if seeing your name amuses you, build a web page. Ming does not need your opinion on what belongs where, so comment on this topic or do not reply. it is that simple. you are off-topic, you need to make sence, and comment on the topic. YOU make posts, to make posts. i make posts when i have something to say.

now back to the point, did he cheat?

i say yes.

will i ever play him MP?

i say no.

[Chris 62]

Some rebuttal from the accused.

Since Shadowdale doesn't post here, he has asked me to provide the following link, where he addresses Eyes accusations:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/Forum1/HTML/000475.html

Also, he just told me that he NEVER has played Eyesofnight in MP.

In addition, this is an excerpt from our conversation:

Shadowdale Speaking in italics:

and about the cities that General Maximus says - well the vikings didn't come until after the Germans and French had been destroyed and I have moved a lot of cities around to get more space for them

Chris:You rebuilt them with the same name?

Nope - they are just in the same area - They most likely have the names of the cities that are common for all civs
You know - when you build a certain number of cities the names start comming from a common list

And about the game itself:

I did the game because I wanted to use all that I had learned at CFC and I'm sure that a lot of people could do the same if they took the time - the game is only special because I'm the only one stupid enough to do it

About Eyes' claim to have played him:

The only think that I find strange about the discussion is that Eyes claims to have played me???????
Why would he make people question him and his observations by lying about that?
I suck at MP - I have almost no experience in MP games
And Eyes always says that he'll only play against people that have proven themselves at MP games against others!!!!!!!!

And lastly, abiout Eyes himself:

Maybe he's so tired that people always call him a cheater that he want's somebody els to be the #1 cheater!

Thanks for your time.

Just thought you people should hear from the man accused of cheating, whom I happen to know is a good man, and an honest person.

Thanks for your time.

[oedo]

probably 9 of 10 players cheat in their single games by reloading huts or revealing the map in the beginning. so statistically he cheated.
the savefile, however, prooves nothing of this. that´s why I voted for no

[cavebear]

Hmmmm...

Well, *this* is an interesting twist. Shadowdale says he did not play Eyes, yet Eyes has a game file. I don't know what to make of that. Perhaps someone else does?