New Diplo 7 players game on the EURO map - who's interested ?

[Robert]

I've posted the map below.
I've made fictional borders. Those borders aren't there to be 'obeyed' in the game, but just now to see if it's a fair start. (in the 'does france have a better starting postion' case)

- all civilizations have 3 neighbours (except russia and england)
Territory size:
1. Russia
2. Germany
3. Greece
4. Spain
5. France
6. Italy
7. England

Territory Quality:
1. France
2. Spain
3. Germany
4. England
5. Italy
6. Russia
7. Greece

Expansion Possibilities
1. Spain (North Africa)
2. Italy (North Africa + Islands)
3. England (Ireland + Scandinavia)
4. Germany (Scandinavia)
5. France (Scandinavia)
6. Russia (Scandinavia)
7. Greece

(Why ?
- Russia has to build more towards the water before being capable to produce ships before France)

I concider France to have a mediacre starting position because of all of this summed up together.

I suggest we leave the map as it is right now.
Capo, can you finish the map with Greece instead of Holland ? (or someone else pherhaps ?)

CyberShy

[deity]

No go...

This isn't working out too well

I'm a bit peaved at the moment with another diplo game floundering in the 1300's. I've spent half a year in many sessions involved in two major diplo games and they both seem to have crashed out around 1300AD.

This one is not looking promising at the moment with two players as non-starters and now Markus is saying he won't be here till 3 hours AFTER the scheduled start!

I'm not a starter until all the details and the players are locked down. Sorry, but I'm really upset about the HOTW game falling apart today.

The map is not right for this game. Spain, Italy Greece and possibly Britain will struggle, particularly if the players are not experienced.

The most experienced players have got the very best.
I'm experienced enough to give Britain a fair chance.
You realise that the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain!
Look at the map.....

You can't work this out at the last minute with 3 new players.
For the last week we had 7 players committed to the start time, then on the eve of the game we are down to 4!

Forget it!

I'm not playing to 1300AD again only to see players drop at the last minute with no attempt made to organise a sub.

I'll be online probably to discuss things but I'm really interested in a properly worked out diplo game.

Cybershy's thread here proposed a Euro diplo game, not a standard random civ game!

[Robert]

In fact you're right.
We should finish the game. period.

I won't strugle on the greek map BTW.

And for that reason we can ONLY start if there are 7 players
that WILL 100% be sure that they'll finish the game. period.

But whom can we be sure about right now ?

Deity
SmartFart
CyberShy
Zylka

Let us at least meet this evening, these 4 of us.
Pherhaps we can find other players. In the other thread I started there's already one person that wants to join us.

See ya then.

CS

Ps. you can't contact me over ICQ right now. I'm at work, and my ICQ is turned on at home

[SmartFart]

Here is my viewpoint :

- Original Cybershy's Euromap looks better to me
- Starting positions were more balanced
- Original modpack is what I prefere
- Deity prevents settlers spitting contest
- No wonders (except Apollo and Manhattan) could provide more balanced game,but we can play with all wonders
- No city bribe is also prefered option,but I can play with it
- I am completely indifferent about nation I am supposed to lead and I am also willing to take last pick
- Revealed map take out very fun part of the game - exploring

Are we going to play this today?

[Robert]

Are we going to play this today?

yes, I hope so.
Let's meet, and try to agree with each other on all points,
and find 7 players that have full trust in a complete game with all 7 players.

If we find less players (5 or 6) we might even start a 5 or 6 player game (eventhough I prefer 7 very much)

I'm not sure about the map. I like Capo's map very much.
Pherhaps we should tweak it a little and make some minor changes.

CS

[markusf]

I can't play till 5-6 PM PST>


But i think we should get this game under way tonight.

I also agree no wonders

[Zylka]

Everyone get online. We're sorting the game out and getting ready for the start.

[markusf]

still a hour for me oh well

[Zylka]

Markus, we're sorting things out and hoping to start when you come. Get off work early if you can

[Zylka]

Well Cyber, Myself, and Deity showed up, the latter having to leave before you guys could get here. No go this week, let's have one more try at it next week, if not then you can count me out.

[Rasputin]

deity level with no wonders apart from Manhattan and apollo sounds best idea for a relasitic diplo game, will require more thought and city development not just mass growth...

Havent quite done the conversion for Aust time yet...

[deity]

Smarfart?

Originally posted by Zylka
Well Cyber, Myself, and Deity showed up, the latter having to leave before you guys could get here. No go this week, let's have one more try at it next week, if not then you can count me out.

What was the story with Smartfart?

[CapTVK]

Gentlemen, a moment of your time please.


Okay? Right, I know it's been said before
The fact of the matter is that diplogames are not the same as a 2x 2x MP quickie. It's going to take time, bruised ego's, aggrevation, technical difficulties and a LOT of dedication. If you plan to participate in a diplogame you must plan to set a day in your agenda and inform the rest if you won't be able to make it in the upcoming week.

These games last months, you can't handle this offhand. Get organized!


In the end it's worth it, completing a diplogame actually is a worthwhile experience.


P.S
I like the European map, does it use ocean squares as real rivers or the standard river ones?

[The Capo]

Okay people here's how its gonna be...

Since everyone is whining about how they don't know if they can play unless its all set up, and about the hardships of a Diplogame lemme tell you how this is going to work...

Deity you understand me here cuz we've been through HOTW, the best Diplogame ever IMHO but its had snags like every other diplogame.

The first issue is the map, the map we are using is the map I put up. It is the most accurate map of Europe, it is the best map of Europe in existance. There can be no arguments here because it just is, Jesus Munoz or Balisade or whatever made this map and they did a damn good job. So this is the one we are using.

Starting positions. Here's how its going to be, regardless of your b*tching and moaning. You pick your damn nation, Great Britain, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Kosovo, Turkey whatever and that's what you are going to get. I hate people who like to just play far apart simply because of that, pick a nation you know about, pick a nation you are going to have fun with, pick a nation with a personality you like and with names and customs you are familiar with. The personal touch will make all the difference in roleplaying, in representation and in interest. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about.

As for the wonders and that jazz, we are keeping it in, I am goin to make an awesome modpack for this game. You guys may disagree with what I am going to say, you may not like the way the modpack turns out on paper, you may even say "This is retarded, Capo is a moron" but believe me my friends, this will be the greatest European modpack the world has ever seen. When you play the game everything will work so perfectly you will think I am some kind of zen master of Civ. Deity vouch for me amigo.

As far as I am concerned there are THREE people in this game, there is Capo, Deity and CyberShy our Dutch founder and all around good guy. I am whiping the board clean and making an entirely new scenario that you guys are going to love, you may dislike it initially but you are going to be on my jock trust me. Four more people must sign up for the job, I know four are interested but I want this to be settled again seperately. Capo is Italy. Cybershy is Greece and Deity is Great Britain. I need four other European nations, real European nations, past present, congolomrations (Iberian Federation, Scandinavian Union etc) as long as they make historic sense.

We are going to play this coming Saturday, the modpack will be completed Thursday for review.

Any and all suggestions will be taken into serious consideration, the final will be released Friday, which is the next day. Everyone that is playing will download it. Saturday we will convene to play this game at a time that has yet to be announced.

I hope that clears everything up, I am the Capo, this is what I do, deal with it.

Peace.

[Robert]

In fact I don't really care about the map or my starting location.

The only question I have, Capo, can you use the normal unit graphics ? Those are the graphics me and most others are used with. That's important for game overview, I think.

If I see an army moving over the map I want to know at once
what kinda army it is, how dangerous it is and how I can fight it.
That's only possible with the graphics of the original game, I think.

The longer we wait, the less play time I have before my vacation.
I'm away from August 1st until August 23rd.
Besides my vacation I can ALWAYS play at the times as I've written them down.

CyberShy