New Millennium Eurodiplomacy (Part Deux)

[markusf]

YOu can't check the exact amount i spent, because i was given a lot of gold by germans english and my taxes where at 80% 800 gold from my civ, 500 gold and a bunch from the english. plus i had 1000+ gold on hand.
All this happened in the course of the turn, and then i mass bought all these improvements. bank was 70% done i bought a bunch of temples etc. But on the reload everything was exactly the way it was last turn except i was missing my gold and had no production to show for it. I am not that worried about it. I can just exploit some "bugs/features" to get my 2k back.

ps stop looking at my civ.

[Curumbor Elendil]

Just saw your message about getting gold from other civs. I don't believe you spent 2000 gold, but if other civs gave you gold, you do appear to have lost some. They'll have to verify this, of course.
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[Curumbor Elendil]

P.S. exactly what kinds of "bugs/features" are you going to exploit?

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Curumbor Elendil
http://pantheon.yale.edu/~jps35/
ICQ 56126989

[markusf]

I told u i spent all the money the italians, germans and english gave me during the last turn. $500 gold for chemistry for the germans, $400 or so from the english etc.

[markusf]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Curumbor Elendil on 04-06-2001 12:35 PM</font>
P.S. exactly what kinds of "bugs/features" are you going to exploit?


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I know the optimal trade connection and route formula. I can get $10,000 gold for a uranium caravan

[OzzyKP]

Yea, this game has almost no semblance of a diplogame. Just some game with a bunch of good players on a europe map. I don't think any effort was taken to make this "real". Oh well. I'm not free of blame either, i just haven't had time to get into a game fully.


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Ozzy - King of Metal
Ozzy - French in Millenial Euro Dip
Ozzy - Formerly Proud Sayen member
Ozzy - Prez of NYRA, http://nyra.ecg.net

[Guest]

This is a great and very interesting game, ozzy.

You can't possibly predict the outcome and my Queen Boudicca's politics is extremely complex, to say the least. I've got embassies with all nations and many chats going in icq, all of us second guessing our next move.
I guess you haven't had a chance to get into it and again sorry about any delays I might have caused; and we have had some bugs.

I'd rather go to turn-based with a 5/10 minute timer, perhaps?



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*deity of THE DEITIANS*
aka: half-assed dieticians
icq# 8388924

[Guest]

From: Queen Boudicca, Britsh

To: His Excellency Berzerker, Germans

Date: 8th April AD 1180

Subject: Hydro-Electric Project

Dear Friend,

As you know we have been great trading partners for eons. We traded in the days of rowing boats and this has helped develop both our nations as the two World leaders. You have always shown me coutesy and always offerred peace. Likewise the British wish to maintain our peaceful relations.

Our scientists had been very keen to develop Electronics, I think you call it, but in my wisdom and with war being waged by your ally, the Austrians, near the Eastern border of our Italian allies, I decided to develop the British military. We hope it won't be necesary but we are capable of delivering support to trouble spots as they occur anywhere in Europe.

We had to forgo the opportunity to build the Hydro-Electric Project.
My people although proud of our military superority are upset that we lack many Wonders of the World. They remember a time in our history when we had several Wonders of the Ancient World.

With all this in mind Queen Boudicca asks you to consider giving the British the opportunity to build the Hydro-Electric Project.

Germany has Wonders of the Industrial Age including Bach's Cathedral.
Berzerker, you will be able to massively grow your nation in future years and we are prepared to help you by granting you as many Engineers as you are able to grant us settlers. And we are prepared to listen to any additional requests you may wish to make.

My dear sire, of whom I have many [ ]

Please do not see any of this as any sort of threat.
Just because we have a massive military capability including a vast navy doesn't mean it is of any concern to you.

Queen Boudicca respects the great German leaders decision-making capability and hopes that bountiful trade will continue between the two nations.

Yours eternally,
Queen Boudicca
(yet to be unleashed as Boadicea)




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*deity of THE DEITIANS*
aka: half-assed dieticians
icq# 8388924

[Guest]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by markusf on 04-05-2001 07:38 PM</font>

The turks ban trading with the english. no caravans ALLOWED
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Queen Boudicca was advised by the Turk Trade Minister that British freight was welcome; caravans are out of date anyway although we believe some nations still possess some....
In good faith she has sent many consignments of cargo to Turkey and she expects their safe arrival. No trade bonus was expected to be paid to the Turks either until further details are secretly available regarding the "hyper-growth plan", we believe it is called.

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*deity of THE DEITIANS*
aka: half-assed dieticians
icq# 8388924

[markusf]

I will not have you making close to a $1000 per caravan off me per caravan. Also i see no reason why i should let you get 1 tech a turn by doing that. I will not benifit from your caravans.(routes are to small to even give me more trade) You land them and i will declare war.

[The Capo]

Napoleon sat in his office, rubbing his temple, he was tired and felt sick that night. The rain gently tapped on the window, somewhat soothing the Senator, but whenever he felt a substantial amount of comfort he remembered that his party had won the Senate in the last election, and he was mere hours away from being named Consul of France...

He threw his papers down, economic reports, defense reports, science reports, it had disgusted him. "How had France declined into such impotence?" he thought to himself. He stood up and walked to the window and looked at the Parisian skyline; his people had been a most liberal lot. A strong Republic, fair, the first to allow women the right to vote. He loved his country, he realized it there just then that his love for his nation was legitimate, not just a political statement. He was a patriot, he quickly sat down in his seat realizing that maybe his new position would not be a detriment as it was looked upon by most of the Senators, but possibly a chance for greatness. Perhaps he would lead France into greatness.

Bonaparte stood up again, and walked to the west wall. A large map of Europe was there; his allies the British and the Italians, the Eastern nations of Germany, Austria and Russia, and the Turks were all there staring back at him, taunting him: "What are you going to do France? What can you do?" he said to himself. At this point Rene walked in...

"Senator Bonaparte, I have messages from Britain and Italy, as well as some more military reports." said the young man.
"Place them on my desk, Rene?" said the Senator.
"Yes sir?" replied the page.
"Please send for some coffee, tell my coach that I shall not be leaving tonight, send for my aides, we have a long night ahead of us."
"Yes sir!"
"Oh Rene?"
"Sir?"
"You've been a good employee, how would you like a promotion?" asked Bonaparte.
"Um" said the Page uneasily "I would really appreciate it, but sir I think-"
"Yes Rene, well, go! This is the birth of a new day!"

[Guest]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by markusf on 04-08-2001 01:09 AM</font>
I will not have you making close to a $1000 per caravan off me per caravan. Also i see no reason why i should let you get 1 tech a turn by doing that. I will not benifit from your caravans.(routes are to small to even give me more trade) You land them and i will declare war.
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Not getting a tech a turn!
It's every 6 turns.
And only a few freight get 1000.


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*deity of THE DEITIANS*
aka: half-assed dieticians
icq# 8388924

[Guest]

LOST CONNECTION and icq WON'T CONNECT!!!!!

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*deity of THE DEITIANS*
aka: half-assed dieticians
icq# 8388924

[markusf]

so you don't have automobile yet...

you couldn't connect because i quit out of the game. And everyone else retired.

I am getting extremely fed up with all these restarts and problems. but i will see how this latest one plays out before throwing in the towel.

[The Capo]

I subbed for Ozzy today, and there were a few issues that have yet to be resolved...

The first thing is apparently this game has some sort of list of War Rules involved in it. Which I find ridiculous. The game is blatantly set up to condone nations to have little to no defense in their nation. The game is using Simultaneous play, which helps make the rules all the more confusing. Here is what I interpreted the rules to be...

1) "You must declare war at the turn beforehand during the begining of the turn" - This is quite confusing. What is the beginning? You have twenty minutes total to move per turn, so what is the beginning? The upkeep phase? You can't possibly declare it there becuase you have to run upkeep, the first five minutes? You need to move your units ASAP before you get screwed over by the stupid Simul play. So when do you declare? I didn't know the answer to this question either, but I decided to wing it and I guess I got it right. Not to mention, does this pertain to allies who come to the aide of allies? None of this was covered at all. As a matter of fact Curumbor didn't even tell me the rules, it wans't until I had the prescence of mind to ask Deity that I found out about it.

2) "The two countries that go to war go into turn based play, with the person who is declared war upon going FIRST" - This is not only stupid, but confusing. Do we take actual turns, like an official entire (20 minute) turn, or do we say, we are done you move, I am done now you move? Or what? I had no clue what the hell was going on in this respect.

3) "You can not attack at until the next turn" - Combining this with 2 its really confusing. What constitutes a turn when we move into turn based play? Since its not official turn based play do we wait the 20 or what, I didn't get it. Further why does the guy who has war declared on him get the first shot? Its unrealistic and unfair to those with resolve.

This incident I believe is a personal incident. Curumbor made it quite clear that he did not trust me from the start. He even said he saved becuase he knew "capo would play dirty." I may be pretty good at deception, but I am no cheater by any definition of the word, so for him to say this (and other things to this effect) was qutie embarrassing to have occured in front of players that I respect. Despite this I continue to hold Curumbor and his abilitiesin a high regard. Further Curumbor had placed me on ignore on ICQ beforehand, even after I had explained away the reason why he kept it like this. Maybe what he said wasn't the real reason? Perhaps he is angry that I put my two cents in on his Standard Modpack Thread, who knows. But it seems quite obvious to me that Curumbor has a personal problem with me. If he does I'd like him to say it instead of veil it with this stupid argument.

I don't believe I need to describe the incident because this really shouldn't become a public issue, and I post this so people in the game and involved in the game can give me their thoughts on what occured. We all know the general story, and I'd be happy to accomodate any quesitons or debate the issue with them if they'd like.

You know where to find me.

Its too damn late, I have a job interview tomorrow (Actually today) I gotta go to bed. I'll talk to you guys tomorrow (actually today)...

Peace.