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    Good evening,

    I just finished playing a game with Markus and Ophidity, and I must say i am unimpressed. Their "strategy" consists of building as many happy wonders as possible, attaining "the republic" advance as fast as possible, jacking up the luxury rate under the republic, and, when they have enough cash in their coffers, win the game by bribing civilizations without happy wonders and warring against those without. Those without happy wonders are doomed to lose.

    No WONDER (pun intented) they want to play without wonders, without city bribe, and on king level. The happy wonders destabalize the game, the diplomats are unstoppable when one player has two or more of the happy wonders, and king allows for greater military action and the use of wonders.

    This has to be the lamest "strategy" i have ever seen. Well, okay, not the lamest; I have played RISK many times, and know that the Indonesia "strategy" debalances the game ...

    Now, Risk is obviously a flawed game: it is based largely on luck, the country and continental borders are far too simplistic (allowing for Indonesia and North American to dominate), and the "production" factor, ie turning in cards, while creating a certain level of excitement, turns the game into a "who gets the cards first". These flaws are fundamentals that can not be changed. Any rules you add, you still have RISK.

    Fortunately, civ is different. The inherent flaws, mikes without expiration and bachs without expiration, can be cleaned up quite simply. Limit mikes and bachs.

    This is my suggestion:

    Mikes expires with the corporation (the rise of secularism) and Bach's expires with electronics (the rise of secular toys).

    Limit these, and the game becomes much more stable, much more skilled based, and less lame.
    agharta.

  • #2
    here is a link to most of the game.
    http://216.232.3.182/agharta


    There is no way you could have won. I had 80 cities, 25 settlars 80 musketers etc. I was moving all my units in under 2 min (very difficult)

    $900/turn at 400 ad when our war started, and i just bought everything in sight. I would have done the same to SF, and when he manages to steal and go to dem i would get 5000 cash and go to fundy, and with maggellans + draggons i would finish him off. Also me and sf agreeed to no wonders and no bribing at the start of the game but you didn't want that as it wouldn't be a "real game" So live with it and stop complaining when you lose on your own settings.
    Join the army, travel to foreign countries, meet exotic people -
    and kill them!

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    • #3
      I was impressed that you stayed in the game to the last city in the board.. That is rare indeed.
      Join the army, travel to foreign countries, meet exotic people -
      and kill them!

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      • #4
        How old are you?
        My life, my rules

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        • #5
          The settings you play make it inevitable: 50x80, roaving bands, only human players. The med map gives no room for "non-happy" wonder players to breathe; the roaving bands gurantees that a player who builds military early (Markus), gets many extra cities (minor tribes are much more impressed with chariots than warriors! or with horseriders!); and only three players (without ais) increases the chances of one player monopolizing the happy wonders.
          agharta.

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          • #6
            <center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
            <img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
            </font><font size=1>Originally posted by SmartFart on 03-10-2001 08:52 PM</font>
            How old are you?
            <img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>

            Who are you asking? Markus, or Agharta_id?
            agharta.

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            • #7
              I try to avoid city bribing since it is so unrealistic. Tell me how fundy cities can be bribed when they are the most fanatical... But if the strategy that defeated you was so lame, what do you suggest is a better strategy? And weren't you the one claiming any game below deity was !@#$%^&*() because the game was meant to be played on deity? So, it was designed to be played with city bribes too.

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              • #8
                <center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
                <img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
                </font><font size=1>Originally posted by Berzerker on 03-10-2001 09:00 PM</font>
                I try to avoid city bribing since it is so unrealistic. Tell me how fundy cities can be bribed when they are the most fanatical... But if the strategy that defeated you was so lame, what do you suggest is a better strategy? And weren't you the one claiming any game below deity was !@#$%^&*() because the game was meant to be played on deity? So, it was designed to be played with city bribes too.
                <img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>

                Bezerker, this thread is not a thread for ramblers. So, lease, go ramble somewhere else!

                Now if you want to talk about why diplomats are so powerful, you are welcome here (in this thread).

                The simple fact is this: diplomats become amazingly powerful when one civ has a ****load of money, and another civ does not. Otherwise, the diplomat is a balanced unit. It is very hard to bribe someone's city when they have as much money as you or when they have a big military ready to pounce on any city that rebels.

                Therefore, the question is: how does one make sure happy wonders are not monopolized? 100x100 maps, raging hordes, seven civs, and! (a new idea) a limiting of mikes and bachs.



                agharta.

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                • #9
                  What do you think?
                  My life, my rules

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                  • #10
                    I don't need your permision to respond to your hypocrisy!

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                    • #11
                      Let me reiterate the title of this thread: MIKES AND BACHS.

                      Got it? GOOD. Now lets move on >>>>>>
                      agharta.

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                      • #12
                        You criticized Curumbor's settings claiming the game was not meant to be played on Emporer, now here you are complaining about city bribes and wonders.

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                        • #13
                          Gee i think the US controls the world more through economic power then military which is just what i did. Every time you lose you find something new to whine about. what will it be next? I am not allowed to use caravans? Maybe i can't build ships. Also your the one who insisted we play with happy wonders + bribing so stop your whining.
                          Join the army, travel to foreign countries, meet exotic people -
                          and kill them!

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                          • #14
                            <center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
                            <img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
                            </font>Let me reiterate the title of this thread: MIKES AND BACHS.
                            <img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>

                            Is that why you "rambled" on about Risk and how Markus won by bribing your cities? If you limited MC and Bach to your suggestions, it would have little or no effect since by the time they expired, people would have democracy and city bribing would be reduced.

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                            • #15
                              Well, if you stayed in to the end, you deserve credit for doing what most people won't do, that is impressive. Sorry for my continued rambling...

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