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So, Alexanders Horse, you use a smilie.
You try to lighten it a bit, eh?
How about a full apology to me first? Please?
Ming, are there any rules about this?
This seems completely unfair to me.
You can't just call people things like that just because you are upset about losing a few units.
You seem to be looking for a way to NOT play me.
I said if I was wrong about the unit bribe I would go back a turn. But in just about every game I've ever played, including the Tourney 2000 and other big international and diplo games,unit bribe has almost always been allowed. I would say that it is the less experienced players who require *no unit bribe* (unless it is the occasional special settings game)
I have since discovered that you DEMAND *no unit bribe* in other games that I'm not party to. You insist on game rules in a bullying way and only suggest putting things to the *vote* when it suits you.
You have behaved very badly AHorse. And very arrogantly.
I remain a part of the Aussie group unless the others don't wish to play me.
As I understand it the rules in most of our current games are:
No city bribe
No formal alliances
It's not really appropriate to vote on SIMUL/TB during war because it's not so much a game rule as part of the mechanics of play. As has been discussed in various threads SIMUL during war is completely unfair to non-hosts and slower connections. My experimentation and experiences bears this out.
BTW, you don't have to restart the game to switch to TB once war is declared. All you do is PLAY your turns in the normal turn order - the honour system
As for honour, Alexanders Horse, you have little.
* You are an abuser beyond the bounds of reasonable humour.
* You are a bully in determing game settings on the run.
* As a host you are irresponsible.
I expect a full apology but I won't give you the pleasure of not playing you.
Alexanders Horse, I'm still in all our games. You are running scared I think
I'd prefer that finbar or Hydey hosted though....
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What are you doing here Deity? This thread is for people I play, which no longer includes you. And there is nothing in this thread against you, but don't push your luck.
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" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Deity the only flaw with your story is the host advantage..... after all you did bribe horses chariot and trireme.... and he was the host IIRC
Ithink the two of you should just kiss and make up..... your best of friends and have been civing for far too long now to throw a friendship away because of a misunderstanding on both your parts... shame on you two!
Both of you have allowed personal preferences to get in the way of the game..... therefore the collapse of this game is not Deity's fault nor is it Alexander Horse's fault...... The group failed to communicate its settings at the outset..... that in itself is a failure...
Voting midgame is wrong.... set it up right the first time and then you don't have these problems.....
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
I now find myself in the unenviable position of having my Italianate friend finbar cast such a reasonable doubt as to make my accusations of Deity tenuous to prove at best and at worst wrong. What am I to do?
I don't think I could face having to chaperone my forces around with diplos or have them go out 2 by 2 like Mormons
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Alexander.... most games played by myself and it seems like alot of others allow unit but not CITY bribe.... however, you may be playing by different rules of course.....
Yes well War, this is what has the potential to create the greatest confusion. Over the past few months, Hydey, Lowang Berz and I have been the regular players in the group and we have been playing no unit or city bribe. Deity has rarely been available and finbar went overseas. Now I could have sworn they were both aware of this but obviously that belief has been completely punctured by finbar in the other thread. I am at a loss because of course now I can't sheet home my case against Deity (although I still believe he knew full well that unit bribe was out - I can't remember the last time I had a unit bribed in this group).
Having said that, you are also right to point out that agreements on settings need to be rock solid and clearly understood by all. For example we play with ai civs and I only found out last week that my co-players have been merrily bribing the cities and units of ai civs whereas I have been busting my hump duking it out with them for months
So now you can all go and have a good laugh at our expense
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I now find myself in the unenviable position of having my Italianate friend finbar cast such a reasonable doubt as to make my accusations of Deity tenuous to prove at best and at worst wrong. What am I to do?
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Sorry. I can only report my recollections.
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</font> I don't think I could face having to chaperone my forces around with diplos or have them go out 2 by 2 like Mormons
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
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I can't remember the last time I had a unit bribed in this group).
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That's the point. Apart from duels, it's never happened. Which is probably why there was never any agreement on whether it should be allowed or not. It was tossed into the melting pot of house rules at the starts of games and passed over. As you have rightly pointed out before, we have very gentlepersonly games.
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</font>For example we play with ai civs and I only found out last week that my co-players have been merrily bribing the cities and units of ai civs whereas I have been busting my hump duking it out with them for months
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As far as I'm aware, it's been long established that humans can bribe AI units and cities. They can (and will) do it us, therefore we can do it to them. The point being, that unit bribing, and turn-based for war for that matter, are not the only unresolved issues.
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Look upon all this as high class entertainment for the prols out there. We supply the only erudite abuse on this site!
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" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Well that clears up this issue for me...... its a misunderstanding no matter how you look at it... some times tempers flare.... a couple of weeks ago i had my capital sacked by tons of elephants.... lost the wonder i had caravan rushed and the hanging gardens plus my palace..... size eight city reduced to size two.... three whales and a mined wine...i was using everyword i knew of the four letter variety......but it wasnt' personal........ Kudos to anyone who attacks.... as for caravans and triremes...... hey casualties of war....if i had boats lurking around your coastal cities i would tell you they were full of caravans too..... if you skimp out on defense and it comes back to haunt you.... thats your fault...... besides you should never allow anyone to drop of caravans..... your bonus is always far less than the oppositions... Backstabbing..... part of civ..... sometimes the best part of civ is the diplomacy and the treachery..... racing through the tech tree is fun, but throwing in skirmishes and having cold wars.... thats where in the fun lies .... just my .02
I still say go back to the earlier save......give deity his TBS..... horse rebuke the cheat comments.... and deity has to come to terms with no bribe at all for this game.
War, I know its pathetic but I suspect Deity only wants to go back a turn in the hope of saving his 2 ships and 2 cara.
But cutting thru all this, I have been wargaming for nearly 30 years and when cr#p like this starts, in my experience the end is usually nigh. People who start stoppages in play for rule disputes are best avoided. They do it once, they do it again and again. There are always grey areas. Deity seems to be fairly sh*tting himself, for reasons I cannot fathom, over simult war and the rest of us I dare say are equally daunted at the prospect of having to wait for Deity to finish his war turns again (if we go back to TBS).
Also of late, when Deity plays we get less play in. First we get the Deity, "am I free to play tonight" fan dance (this take on average half an hour), then we get the Deity "let's haggle over which game we play" shemozzle (another half an hour); and now we starting to get the Deity "I don't like the rules" stoppages in play
I really wonder if its worth the effort frankly. If Deity doesn't show up we can normally get a game up in 5-10 minutes and we've had no stoppages in play that I can recall.
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