secret to finishing games

[Hydey]

I have found the secret to finishing games of civ MP.

Don't do very well.

All games I do well in seem never to be continued but games I really suck in, boy everyone wants to play those.

So the secret to getting games finished is to really suck and then all your opponents will play to the end.

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[Carolus Rex]

Amen!!!

Exactly my experience...

Carolus

[finbar]

Yeah, Hydey, isn't it strange how we only ever get to play the games that Horse is winning?

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[Alexander's Horse]

Moi? Winning? You are too kind


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[War4ever]

kenthur is about the only one i know whom will continue games these days ..... i too usually am leading most games, not all that i am in and they never get continued.......

However that isn't because all my opponents wont continue, we just never have all the same people around

[sekong]

Hey, War4, talking about never have the same group of people together. I think that's my reason to join a tribe or so. When sb. is not avaible, he can have a team/tribe member as a reasonable sub. Just my 2 cents.

[War4ever]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by sekong on 02-23-2001 06:14 PM</font>
Hey, War4, talking about never have the same group of people together. I think that's my reason to join a tribe or so. When sb. is not avaible, he can have a team/tribe member as a reasonable sub. Just my 2 cents.
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Sekong i agree.... tribes are a good way to play, although i fear cheating as i have not yet learned all the tricks of the game and at times feel overwhelmed and uncertain........

[Alexander's Horse]

We try to finish our games. We even had a spaceship

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[War4ever]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Alexander's Horse on 02-23-2001 11:45 PM</font>
We try to finish our games. We even had a spaceship


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since i have been back ...... i have yet to see round 2 other than in dip games

[KenThur]

AMEN Brothers!
Good topic thread... to say the least.

3 thots i'll throw in on this overwhelming prob that is ruining Civ MP:
1&gt; the "Won't play, because I'm not winning." = so true!
However, i'v challenged myself & i challenge any MP player that reads this; to REALLY apply the Golden Rule!
If U want people to finish games that U R leading in, then be willing(& honest enuf) to hang in on those games that aren't going so well for U.
Let's face it, re-starting another session of a game U R getting your butt kicked in or all the huts U found were hordes, is NOT everyone's favorite thing to do.
But U want it, U have to be willing to give it.
I'm trying to motivate myself via a BURNING DESIRE to play in the modern era (hell, i'd just like to get to the industrial age!). If i have to be the "loser" just to get to work with a crusier, airplane, research lab, stock exchange, freight... at this point, i'll DO IT. I'm good enuf to hold off total destruction, so i'll fight on just to see a plane fly!
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2&gt; Volunteer to be a sub. Sure, it's not going to be the Supreme Power U sub into. But at least U don't have to wade thru all those centuries of the SAME OLD TIRED units, techs, & city improvements... for the 100th time! Don't U get sick of seeing games top out at crusaders & cathedrals!?
And remember the Golden Rule.
Think about how much U would appreciate someone stepping into a good game U were in. A game that can't get re-started because 1 or 2 flakes/whimps never come back & are off to start YET ANOTHER game they won't finish.
I here & now & once again, proclaim MY WILLINGNESS to sub/take over a humanless civ if it will help keep a game going for the joy of others(& the hope of playing with some MODERN units!).
If U see me up, just ask... if i'm not in a game i'll sub/take over a civ.
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3&gt; Play no-wonder-except-Apollo games. The #1 reason games become un-fun/hopeless is because of the now-all-too-common boring formula some guys always use; build-a-bunch-of-empty-cities-get-trade-build-caravans-rush-build-about-4-key-wonders = "insurmounable" lead, everyone else quits. PUKE!!!!
The wonders truly distort this otherwise great, tradeoff-filled game. Tradeoff's BTW, are what make ANY game fun. Think about it, if U don't already understand game design.
Wonders were a catchy little feature Sid & crew threw in to add pizzazz for the mass market. This crowd is not mass market, we are devotee's!
MEN, we are FAR beyond playing with "wild cards" called "wonders" at the level we play now. Grow up & out.
The mutually-exclusive, I've-got-it-&-you-don't, nature of the wonders = pure crap at this point in this classic's product life cycle. THINK about it.
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Scheduling will forever be a prob of MP, but some of the other reasons / execuses for not finishing can be eliminated or reduced.
So be a MAN, finish your games or at least have the guts & courtesy to say, "You win, i'm outta here!"

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[Alexander's Horse]

*horse scours his hard drive looking for a save where Hydey is doing well*


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[CommandoAndy]

Just wanted to throw in my two cents worth.

The main problem I have personally found in trying to finish a game is scheduling. A regular day and time helps. It's better for working things around the family and such.

As far as finding oneself in a hopeless postition, I am probably the resident expert in that. I'm not really all that familiar with the "tricks of the trade", as most of you are. What works relatively well against the AI, does not work against human opponents. So I often find myself slightly behind and somewhat down on the all mighty power graph. But you know what? I don't care. I play for fun, and you can call me a freak, but I relish the underdog roll. I particularly like taking over less than stellar civs for the challenge of trying to bring them around. But again, that's just me.

I would particularly enjoy one of those long running "diplomatic" games, as that is really why I bought the MP version in the first place. And the only way you'll be able to get me out of a game is if you wipe my pathetic little civilization off the face of the earth.

Quitters never win, and winners never quit.

[cavebear]

CommandoAndy hit the main point. I think the most important thing about getting a game to finish (or at least get deep into the modern age) is to have a set day and time to play it.

That means getting players together *first* who all have a reliable playing time, and then deciding on the settings etc. It seems to me that used to be much more the standard than it is now.

Advertising for a "Sundays @ 4pm EST" game, for example, instead of a settings-oriented game, is more likely to result in a longer-lasting one.

[Rasputin]

Well I for one wouldnt enjoy playing a game to conclusion if I had obviously won but we were simply playing through the motions just to get to Modern ERA. If you want to see those type of units play Single player they look the same.
It would be better to concede defeat in a friendly manner early in game rather than playing for many more hours, days, months just to placate an apetite for modern era units.

However a game that is unknown in who is winner is defiantly worth finishing....

[War4ever]

Advertising for a "Sundays @ 4pm EST" game, for example, instead of a settings-oriented game, is more likely to result in a longer-lasting one.[/quote]

so true Cavebear..... one of the reasons i joined the dip game...... people are showing up on a regular basis..... i am actually waiting all week for this game with ants in my pants