New Diplogame... who wants in?

[Curumbor Elendil]

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If you can remember anything else we've discussed, or want something added or removed, speak now or forever hold your peace. So far I am assuming this is our roster of players, if you can't make the 8:00pm - 11:00pm (est) session, please let us know so we can make proper arrangements.

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What about more advanced units, non-expiring Oracle, & expiring Pyramids? Also, I think happy wonders should require 100 more shields, since everyone goes for them first (possible exception for Hanging Gardens, since you have to go out of the usual tech path to get it in the first, that's probably 'punishment' enough).

Finally, I think ships & planes should have their movement rates increased, and carriers should have a much higher defence rating (since it represents a carrier with escort ships).



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Curumbor Elendil
http://pantheon.yale.edu/~jps35/
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[War4ever]

Capo Wednesday or Thursday is good for me.....
If U could find a real Mongol flag for me that would be great too.......
I vote sdi in........ later in the game.... say with fusion power....
Never expiring oracle..... for 100 more shields....
Pyramids to expire with refridgeration......
Colossus to expire with Electricity.....

By making these wonders end sooner, it means that their benefit isn't over exagerated.....
Is their anything we can do with the eiffel tower? it would be nice to use it somehow and give it a benefit....maybe another happy wonder ....
I am a little confused about the mobile sam... could some one give me a laymans description and what it will do in our game....]
no ai bribe of cities EVER..
In fact it should really be no contact rule.... other wise the first there will reap huge benefits of money and or tech......
Is there a city limit.... in my current dip game i reached the limit half way in to the second session.....a bit disappointing but hey thems the rules for that one
does slowed tech mean that the eras will last alot longer ie.... no warrior to musket transformation?


Just so you know..... i plan to read up some more on the outbreak of WW1 to make my diplomacy more realistic

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[Mr Dimbleby]

This is just a suggestion. But since none of us are playing a Civ in the Americas, why not have Capo make an enlarged map of the "old world" (Europe, Asia, Africa & Australia) for us to play on?

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[Capo di tutti Capi]

Since Kent couldn't play the Indians have been removed (I can see the Asian land rush now.. Mongolia, Israel and China...) and we have put an AI in the Americas starting with one city in North America, Central America and in South America so they can fill the entire landmass. So we will have that to deal with.

I started each civ with two settlers. So we can get into politics quickly.

So far I am removing SDI altogether, I don't think it is realistic, it never fails to destroy a nuclear attack and I don't think that is a realistic thing to have in the game. Why have a PRETEND invention? I might as well put in space fighters and giant robots if we are gonna have SDI in the game.

And if everyone is worried about people abusing Nuclear missiles, let's take out Howitzers as well people tend to abuse them also.

Anyone with any skill will be able to play around the nuclear problem, you want to know who has nukes? Use spies, you want to defend against nukes, make sure you set your nation up properly to do so. Have a team of Engineers ready to clean up, I don't see why there is such a fear of the nuclear weapon. Its just a game.

Alright, I am considering upping the cost of some wonders, and changing the expiration, I want a general consensus here. So everyone list the wonders they want to cost more and how much more, and list the expiration of other wonders. Thanks.

And if someone could point me in the direction of a good Recon Plane graphic, I'd be very pleased.

See ya.

[Curumbor Elendil]

Shouldn't we have a vote on the SDI issue? I mean, sending a ship to Alpha Centauri is even less realistic than this.

I think we should reduce the power of howitzers (by reducing FP from 2 to 1, say), rather than eliminating them altogether.

I agree with War4ever's suggestions re wonders.

I also think Mr. Dimbleby has a point with making an enlarged map of the Old World (would have to be flat - I don't have a problem w/ that).

I'm rather opposed to the idea of having an AI civ.

As for a Recon Plane, the Hi-Res modpack has a Zeppelin unit that serves for reconnaissance. We're also using it in the New Millennium game.

If the Indians have dropped out, I'd rather have them than the Chinese. I don't want to be right next to War4ever. I think the Israelis might want to switch to Russia instead, considering the Malis and the Indians will otherwise hem them in. But that's up to the Israelis.

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Curumbor Elendil
http://pantheon.yale.edu/~jps35/
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[Capo di tutti Capi]

MOST of my comments in my last post were made in jest, I have no intentions of removing the Howitzer.

[Prometheus]

If you guys play Thursday I would be interested in playing. I will be the Americans.

[Capo di tutti Capi]

Alright, I am going to list the players and what their tribes will be so we can get everything sorted out, this may be wrong and probably is incorrect, which is why I am lineating it so we can get some sort of finalization here, I have already started working on the mod so I am a little agitated that people keep switching up their starting positions, so let me get this PERFECTLY CLEAR:

Capo - Adriatic League
Chris - Mali
Drake - Zulu
Dimbleby - Israelies
Curumbor - Chinese
War4Ever - Mongolians
AI - Native Americans

Okay, now, Curumbor has said that he would like to change his tribe because he is "too close" to War4 (Which is odd becuase he hasn't seen the map yet... weird), and would like to move his tribe. Prometheus has said he would like to play as the Americans.

I am thinking, we want at least two people in the Americas, so its not boring for anyone on that side of the drink. Further, with Curumobr leaving Asia, this puts War4 in a monopoly over all of Asia, as his only Asian counterparts are, psuedo-asian at best: Israel.

This creates a lot of misgivings, what I am going to try and do now is ask for a finalized list of people and what nations they intend on playing as. I would not feel this game appropriate if only one nation is in the Americas, so for those purposes we should at least have two. Further, War4's position would be ultra-stupid in my mind based on the HUGE open space, and I think we want relative parity here rather than worries of distance.

Therefore, what I am really asking is for everyone to put up their FINAL decision, so I can start working on the mod, and if the decisions are odd... (Iraq and Israel for example) then we can discuss that situation. In case anyone has no idea what the Adriatic League will be (as far as starting locations) its around where modern Venice is.

Alright peace guys, and if I don't talk to you today have a kick ass weekend, its so nice outside right now...

OH YEAH: When do we want to start this game? This comming Thursday at 8:00pm?

Peace!

[Guest]

Hi, I really like the diplo games and your time for this one suits me. (That's during the day on Friday here in Aussie)
Are the Americans still free?

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[Curumbor Elendil]

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Okay, now, Curumbor has said that he would like to change his tribe because he is "too close" to War4 (Which is odd becuase he hasn't seen the map yet... weird), and would like to move his tribe.

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Well, you said the civs would be placed in their historic spots, and Mongolia and China are right next to each other.

I think maybe you should make a map with seven starting locations equal in strength, let us all see the map and agree to it, and then randomly allocate who gets what.

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Curumbor Elendil
http://pantheon.yale.edu/~jps35/
ICQ 56126989

[War4ever]

I for one am not really interested in in others in North/South America for the simple reason that there is alot of land to colonize their.....

However if this is the case then we need two settlements in that large continent(s) So my vote is two or none....

Now that Deity wishes to play as well..... this may work out better for us.... one in North one in South..... although the land in the south sucks.... alot a work for settlers LOL

I wish to be the Mongols......

i too think we should see the map first and where you plan to put us.... and to see the intial starting location......

I like the blimp for a spy plane
i like my suggestions for the wonders...
still would like to use the eiffel tower for something
are we having extra tech?
I prefer to vote on sdi but i say make it avail at fusion power as in reality there still is no defense in the world against real nukes
is their a city cap?

[Capo di tutti Capi]

Here is the map of starting locations SO FAR (before Prometheus join(ed/s).):

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If we add Prometheus and play him as the Americans we would have to add another tribe to the Americas for so many reasons, but I don't want to get into specifics right now. I would suggest we add it either in Mexico, Venezuela or Argentina. The current map has the AI in Mexico, myself on the top of the Adriatic, the Mongols near Baikal, the Chinese in their regular spot, the Israelies in Israel, the Mali in ancient Timbuktu and the Zulu in Zimbabwe. I don't think how close we are to eachother should be too much of an issue, nobody is THAT close to complain about it, if anything me and Israel are too close.

But the issue here is whether we have Prometheus play as the Americans. I think if we did that, we'd have to put another tribe over there, but I don't think that tribe should be from Asia, look what would happen! It would be either Mongolia or China alone with all of Asia at its disposal.

So we either move Dimbleby (the reason I say this is becuase there is a "situation" in Africa that I want to keep) to the Americas, or keep Prometheus over here.

OR, no offense to Prometheus, we could just tell him no and keep the AI as the Native Americans. Thoughts?

[Curumbor Elendil]

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Here is the map of starting locations SO FAR (before Prometheus join(ed/s).):

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OK, the Mongols and Chinese are far enough apart that I would feel OK playing the Chinese. However, I'd also like to see the starting terrain. Can you put the map up for download somewhere?

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So we either move Dimbleby (the reason I say this is becuase there is a "situation" in Africa that I want to keep) to the Americas, or keep Prometheus over here.

OR, no offense to Prometheus, we could just tell him no and keep the AI as the Native Americans. Thoughts?
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I say we put Prometheus in the Old World (maybe as Indians or Russians or Vikings), abolish the AI, and leave the Americas for colonization. This is what we did in Diplomacy V, and it worked well.

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Curumbor Elendil
http://pantheon.yale.edu/~jps35/
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[Capo di tutti Capi]

Dudes dudes dudes.

We can't play this Thursday, I totally forgot that Thursday is Valentine's Day, and if I want to keep my nuts attached to my body I shouldn't play this week either.

So NEXT Thursday is good for me.

Let's have a vote to where Prometheus should start, and that way we can figure this out. I'm voting India (because man, then there will be two Euros and I'll be pigeonholed).

Vote on guys!!!!

[Prometheus]

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We can't play this Thursday, I totally forgot that Thursday is Valentine's Day, and if I want to keep my nuts attached to my body I shouldn't play this week either.


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Ummm I think you will be in trouble if you make valentine plans on Thursday. Valentine’s day, February 14th, is on Wednesday not Thursday.