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**Atomic Dogg** · January 11, 2001, 07:58

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Originally posted by deity on 01-11-2001 03:51 AM
So, most noble finbar, you feel that it may be in the best interest of your civ for AH and I to remain at loggerheads

I mean, that sounds like a fair and balanced solution LOL

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That's Realpolitik baby! Looks like a fair situation, I wouldn't make anyone move anything....just stare down the barrel at each other! Makes for an interesting game.

And I never voted for that toffy-nosed Alexander Downer either I'll have you know....

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**Hydey** · January 11, 2001, 16:58

Why doesn't AH just use his mighty diplo force to encourage Deities Horseman to defect to the way of the Horse empire.

That done, finbar, Lowang and Myself can sit back and watch the fire works.

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**Guest** · January 11, 2001, 17:21

Interesting, the peaceful civs of the world wish a continuation of the cold war
Maybe AH and I should change tack..... LOL

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**Alexander's Horse** · January 11, 2001, 18:17

Bah! He calls his city "AH for Brekkie" and puts forces right next to one of my cities, "Peaceful Horse", after refusing to remove a unit that was wandering around well behind my borders for several turns and then claims I did something wrong?

I think its clear who the aggressor is here should war break out. Deity should remove his horse to show his good intentions. I don't care what the history is, keeping military units right next to someone else's city is a very unfriendly and provocative act.

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**Guest** · January 11, 2001, 19:51

deity accepts the decision of the world leaders.
AH may keep his city on that pot of gold... and Captain Deiticus remains on his horse, nearby... within the city radius of "AH for Brekkie"

Fair nuff

WE will live in peace...

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**Alexander's Horse** · January 11, 2001, 19:57

There has been no such decision. I told you I occuppied the longitude that "Peaceful Horse" is now on and you agreed. This was long before you established that city. Therefore your forces should be no farther forward than the longitude your city is on.

Fair is fair Deity. Your civ is much stronger than mine. Why do you need to threaten me as well? Withdraw please.

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**finbar** · January 11, 2001, 20:01

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Originally posted by Alexander's Horse on 01-11-2001 05:17 PM

I think its clear who the aggressor is here should war break out. Deity should remove his horse to show his good intentions. I don't care what the history is, keeping military units right next to someone else's city is a very unfriendly and provocative act.

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Guess who's been into the Parliamentary Library and found the Little Golden Book of Diplomatic Bluffing? What you're cheerfully ignoring - and why not? all grist for the verbal fisticuffs - is that his horse is in his territory, albeit within your city radius. Ergo, your city squares are in his territory, ergo, technically, and in every other way, you have breached the agreed border. Be that as it may, you and Deity have a good old-fashioned stand-off and it's injecting some life into this otherwise moribund forum. Keep it up.

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**Alexander's Horse** · January 11, 2001, 20:27

Yes but finbar, consider this - Deity had neither cities nor units in the region when we agreed on that border, whereas I had units guarding it, at the point where "Peaceful Horse" now is, and on the hill in front of "Forward Horse!". He moved all the units in and established his city LONG AFTER the border was agreed - and just to annoy me too. Following his logic, I should be able to put units right next to his city too. I might add I immediately withdrew a unit which would have prevented him from establishing that city when the border was agreed!

Also, his city is using the fish on MY SIDE of the border. So his city radius is lapping over MY territory just as much as mine is over his

I suggest a compromise - what I object to is the military units. If he puts a diplo on that mountain instead of the horse, withdraws the 2 horse, one of which is OVER the border, and agrees not to fortify the mountain, then I will consider the mountain demilitarised and let him continue to use MY FISH. I will also withdraw my diplo.

I think that is very fair

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**finbar** · January 11, 2001, 21:44

Where exactly is/was the border? A line drawn down through Peaceful Horse, through the water, through the hill square with what looks like coal outside Forward Horse?

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**Alexander's Horse** · January 11, 2001, 22:56

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Originally posted by finbar on 01-11-2001 08:44 PM
Where exactly is/was the border? A line drawn down through Peaceful Horse, through the water, through the hill square with what looks like coal outside Forward Horse?

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Yes, that's right. The coal square is mine too, the longitude line is the border. Deity moved into the area after the border was agreed. Also, I told deity I was ocuppying the longitude "Peaceful Horse" is now on before we agreed on that border, so as far as I'm concerned all his units should be West of that line i.e. no further East than the longitude line his city is on, which I didn't know existed till he posted that map

He is just playing games, but it is a good example of how he tries to incite wars whilst preserving his "spotless rep".

I guess he just wants to try and achieve what makeo could not. But the Horse Empire will not bow to dieters

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**Guest** · January 11, 2001, 23:06

That's right finbar, Peaceful Horse (Ha!) is on longitude 62. WE had agreed that this was the border BEFORE he built there.

I believe we both discoverd the area around the same time; it's just that we didn't realise it at the time. Don't forget my horse was far into AH's territory, which he kept whinging about, so I obviously had found that land much earlier but I didn't send a settler there as he did. We've not exchanged maps.

It is true that he withdrew his units from West of 62 as I did East of 62. I was slower than him to do so because of terrain and his stupid units kept boxing me in (deliberately) so he could complain in the world forum!
If his city stays there my military units remain - a mountain each...

And yes, instead of me building a city on that pot of gold I chose a nearby location for "AH for Brekkie"

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**Alexander's Horse** · January 11, 2001, 23:15

Your view of this is such Cr*P!

I TOLD YOU I was already occuppying the 82 longitude when you agreed to the border. That horse was of yours was a latecomer, I've been in that area since shortly after the barbs got your diplo some centuries ago (remember that? You didn't know I saw that).

The idea that you can have a longitudinal border and have units from both sides on the same longitude is absurd, and you know it

Do the right thing Deity, withdraw the horses.

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**Guest** · January 11, 2001, 23:25

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Originally posted by Alexander's Horse on 01-11-2001 09:56 PM
Yes, that's right. The coal square is mine too, the longitude line is the border. Deity moved into the area after the border was agreed.
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It is clear that AH recognises the BORDER as longitude 62. A border is a border. It is a line separating civs. If one civ chooses to OCCUPY that border it is clearly to the disadvantage of the other civ and deity believes this is quite a provocative act.

Captian Deiticus is getting most angry with this dialogue but deity will attempt to appease him by praising his patience and encouraging him to gain the very best reputation in world circles by acknowledging world opinion.

Also, would the world please note that the Alexander Horse Empire has more military units than any other civ. And way more per city.

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**Alexander's Horse** · January 11, 2001, 23:32

Wrong, wrong, wrong! I told you I was already occuppying the longitude and you agreed. That of course means is it MY territory. That is what "Occuppying" means Your terrirory starts with the longitude line your city is on. This is so bleeding simple.

Come one Deity, got off my land. Actually there isn't much military advantage for you in your current dispositions (if you knew the whole picture). It just harms your rep

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**finbar** · January 11, 2001, 23:46

Gee, our very own Mark Phillipousis -v- Pat Rafter, writ small.

Guys, as with all such debates involving personal agendas and disputed history, there won't be a solution. You two will go on bickering till the game drops off the agenda. Fair enough. It's amusing most of us. And keeping this otherwise moribund forum alive.

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