play civ simultaneous not turn based?

[boann]

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[CornMaster]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/Forum3/HTML/000051.html
Ahhh, no you bastard. You beat me to it!

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[CapTVK]

Here's the full text

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Simultaneous Move in Multiplayer?

I received an interesting email from Tony Toon yesterday. Here it is:


I don't know if this'd qualify as news or not but.. I got Test of Time today at Wal-Mart, and was playing it with a friend, when we quickly got upset that we couldn't play in simultaneous mode like in Civnet. Anyways, I got tinkering about in the .EXE file, and figured out that if you add "Simultaneous=1" to the CIV.INI in your \WINDOWS directory, it allows you to choose the humans move simultaneously option. It seems it was removed from the game officially, but it so far has worked fine. Dunno if it'd work in Civ2MPG or not, but it might, since they look to be based on the same engine. I don't know if this is common knowledge or not, but if it isn't, just give me credit or whatever. Hope this is helpful.
This is definitly not common knowledge... Give this method a try and let me know whether it works for you or not by posting to the multiplayer forum. Thanks Tony for this potentially important discovery.

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Hmm it's far too early for an april fool

I have ToT so I'll be trying it out right now! (check back in 5min)

[CapTVK]

It works! Why didn't they tell us!? John has a lot to answer for in the ToT forum!


I'll try making a screenshot and posting it, can anyone playtest this with me in a quick ToT MPsession?
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[CapTVK]

Seems Cornmaster has beaten me too it

It works in Civ2MP gold!


P.S
IMG removed because it caused extra strain on the cinfanatics page. You can still see it at the civfanatics forum. Sorry for any trouble caused.
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[boann]

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Ahhh, no you bastard. You beat me to it!

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actually im a *****... =) get the gender right if your going to flame me....

(odd that the female form of the word is baned while the male form is not) sexest software...hrumph


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[Clay Pigeon]

That is tellin him
this is a test - *****

[OzzyKP]

Wow, this is quite a revolution in the game. The whole nature of play changes with this. I like having it turn based though, so i won't use the new feature, but quite marvelous that it is there.

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[CornMaster]

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Wow, this is quite a revolution in the game. The whole nature of play changes with this. I like having it turn based though, so i won't use the new feature, but quite marvelous that it is there.


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It's still turn based but you make your moves at the same time. That's all. Anyway. Sorry boann, you *****.


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"I'm too out of shape for a long fight so I'll have to kill you fast"
"If LESS is MORE, just think of how much MORE, MORE would be!"
I AM CANADIAN!
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My Civ 2 Scenario Page.

[boann]

LOL ..CornMaster
but don't you think it dumb...that i can call
you a bastard all night...
and you can only throw a line of stars at me...

[suas333]

Wow incredible. There must be some sort of bug since it wasn't included no?

[Guest]

I set it up on my home network to try it out.
All looked fine until I realised that I couldn't use two keyboards at once!
duh


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[Guest]

When you quit out and start another game it removes the "1" in the ini file automatically and you have to keep putting it back each time you start a session.

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[Epik]

Here is a guess as to why developers left the option off of the released product.

Lag (caused by poor data transfer rates) problems.

Lag can cause a delay of several seconds before a move is registered on the host, or your machine is notified of another tribe's move.

Several conflict possibilities come to mind...

A unit from different tribes pass thru the same square. Once the data is registered on the host machine, should a battle take place? If a time stamp is used, should the later unit be backed up?
How do you notify a player of a ZOC violation after the unit is moved back?

Settlers from different tribes move onto the same square and build a city. Who gets the city? What do you do with the settler that does not get the city?

2 tribes build the same wonder and complete it on the same turn... who gets it if the game is in real time?

I use Mac OS and I do not know where to reset the options to allow this real time play, so I leave it up to others to test these types of conflicts. My guess is that you could get some strange results or a crash.

[cavebear]

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Really? I take this as thew production half of the turn goes by, each Civ gets their respective production by standard order. Then, instead of letting the white Civ go first in the move pieces half of the turn, all hell breaks lose with every Civ moving at once? How would this give those in the purple Civ a disadvantage? They could start to move at exactly the same time as the white Civ.

Am I missing something?
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I think that is the difference between "real-time" and "simultaneous" play. Real-time would just mean that everyone moved as fast as possible and that preference would be determined by nonoseconds of "who-moved-first". Simultaneous, as I understand what is said so far, means that everyone sets up their moves at the same time, then the computer stops and carries them all out at once.

Does that difference make sense? Does that make sense (I don't mean that one or the other is the way it works, but that there could be 2 meanings of how the play goes)?