Tales From the Diplomatic Front V

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This makes Fiji look like Disneyland.

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[Curumbor Elendil]

A PROCLAMATION

From the Court of Rightful King and Sovereign of the Libertarian Empire, Murray LXXXVIII

[currently in hiding due to riots in the streets of the capital]

As the city of 23 Dam, Inc. wast bestowed upon our gracious allies the Chinese as their sovereign property with all the rights pertaining thereto, the Libertarian Empire doth announce their utter and thorough neutrality as touching any arrangement for the transfer of said city which the Chinese should arrange. Notwithstanding this position, His Royal Highness doth wish to announce that the arrangement negotiated by the Chinese in no way constraineth the policy of the Libertarian Empire; therefore, it behooveth the Egyptians to seek forthwith a separate accommodation with the Libertarian Realm. His Serene Majesty is amenable to an immediate cessation of hostilities and, providing a grace period during which trust might be re-established, an eventual peace treaty, with no concessions from either side. We await the Egyptian response.

Signed,

Ayn Rand
Royal Minister

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Curumbor Elendil
jason.sorens@yale.edu
ICQ 56126989

<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Curumbor Elendil (edited June 05, 2000).]</font>

[Frank Johnson]

Peace has been reached between the Empire of China, the Democratic Republic of Japan, and the Democractic Republic of Egypt.

As you may or not know, the Grand Libertarian Army is currently under contract to capture and provide the city of J23 Dam to the Chinese Empire, in return for China's generous military aid during preparations for the war. The city was certain to be capurted as the overwhelming Indian army has already flooded into Egyptian territory. Egypt, seeking to retain their great city, and not to mention mikes, came looking for a deal.

But I highly valued the city I was promised. But there were also things I wanted they could provide, so finally a deal was reached.

I valued the city containing mikes at 5000 gold peices. I also valued the troops I gave to India at 600 gold pieces. Thus I demanded the sum of 5600 gold orginally.....however I offered that the sum might be reduced to 3600 gold if they could provide me with peace with Japan and assurances they would not attack Japan's former capital which also contained serveral key wonders already in my hands, so I could avoid being a "happiness wonder hog". China was willing to work to avoid that label, and an agreement has been made that consolidates China's current wonders, while providing proper compensation for Mikes, which I could have chosen to possess.

As a result of the Agreement the following was agreed to:

Egpyt will owes the sum of 3600 gold to the Empire of China.

700 gold will be reducted from the total at which time the Egyptain allies, Japan, cedes the Province of Northern Japan to China.

Egypt will reemberse Japan in the form of 700 gold for the loss of Northern Japan.

Egypt will pay the remainder of the sum, 2900 gold in either currency of gold, or territories of subject to my approval at the rate of 75 gold per population point, plus half the selling price of improvements and 25 gold per garrisooning unit or settler.

Jian Fu Lynn
Da Wang Zhong Guo
Big Emperor of China
Long Live the Middle Kingdom
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[berzerker]

I wont be resuming this game until 8:30 pm central since I am joining Dip VIII's opening session from 7-8:30-9 pm central. Playing these two should not create an on-going conflict after tomorrow since dip 8 does not have a set schedule.
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[Curumbor Elendil]

This was a very bizarre session, but before I give my report I need to make a ruling on whether the results of the session need to be cancelled out.

Thus, for those of you in the game, this is what I did. I loaded mu_a780.net, the game which we loaded when we started last session. I set player as Chinese, clicked Revolution, and was able to choose Democracy right away. This is something I had never known about before and will definitely use in the future (unless it comes to be viewed as a bug damaging to realistic gameplay). I then set player to Japanese and was unable to bribe his city.

Then I loaded mu_a780b.net, which was the saved game right before I ended my turn, and supposedly right after Dangime went into revolution. Marco Polo's showed him to be in monarchy. I switched players to Chinese, I was in monarchy. Cities had production that a monarchy would have.

This is what I think happened: Dangime did switch to Democracy, having just discovered that he could do so (obviously he didn't know this beforehand, otherwise he wouldn't have given me those units). But because of lag, the switch wasn't registered by the Japanese' turn, who were next. It then registered by the time the Chinese' turn came around, and they went into anarchy because of civil disorder.

My ruling is therefore: the Chinese are within their rights to demand that we restart the mu_a780.net game, with protection from the bribery of Sakhalin. If the Chinese decline their right to a restart, the Japanese are within their rights to demand a restart as well, since when they were booted right before their turn a turn later, we did not follow the usual policy of reloading the save. The AI put the Japs into anarchy, and that allowed me to bribe one of their cities. So the Japanese also have a right to demand that we restart the mu_a780.net save. However, I don't think it would be in their interests to do so, given what the state of the Chinese army would be like.

If both the Chinese and Japanese decline their rights to a restart, we will continue where we left off with the last session, which was indeed long, fruitful, and eventful. Please post your decisions here.

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jason.sorens@yale.edu
ICQ 56126989

[berzerker]

This problem is a good one to open up for debate in the forum (not your ruling, but this occurence). I believe what happened is that Dangime was in Monarchy for his attack turn - he went into Democracy when we returned to the game or at the end of his attack turn. But I get a turn before his democracy kicks in - he was not in democracy when I retaliated because switching has no effect until his next turn begins. I've gone into revolution at the end of my movement and have nothing happen until the beginning of my NEXT turn. The form of government Dangime was under when I retaliated is the same government he was under when he attacked on his turn - to be under democracy, you must be under democracy at the beginning of your turn. If he attacked under Monarchy, he stays under Monarchy until the beginning of his next turn even if he switched governments to democracy at the end of his attack turn.
You cannot move your units under one form of government and switch to a new form of government before the next turn begins...

[Curumbor Elendil]

Actually, Berz, I think you can. That's what happened when I recreated it. Otherwise, how do you explain his having some of the benefits/consequences of democracy but not others? His civ got thrown into anarchy because of civil disorder two turns in a row--this only happens with democracies. Now, I've seen things like this happen--because of lag a sudden change only goes through "partially." For example, the disband after bribery trick is of this sort. Also, once I had an opponent who disbanded a unit to put shields onto an improvement so that I wouldn't sabotage his city walls, but the city wall sabotage happened anyway (even though walls are supposed to be the last thing to go). It must not have registered on my computer that he had shields on another improvement.

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jason.sorens@yale.edu
ICQ 56126989

[Frank Johnson]

Well I decline my right. Despite losing 5-8 units in the mayham, I believe only a few additional cities could have been taken if I had my entire army, and is they are now, they would be mainly obsolite.

Situations have stabilized, and my veteran units will have the advantage in a sustained war, so thats it. I'm fine with as is, but if Berz wants me to take a few more cities thats fine with me too.

I'm sorry for claiming tha Berz was cheating. That was not the case, but apparently there was something that was wrong. I believe the losses I took are worse than the losses berz took, so I think this is still in his favor.

[Curumbor Elendil]

[What is this I hear about alternative universes in which there are public newspapers by 1000 BC? This seemeth to me passing strange...]

THE CHRONICLE OF ULFIAS,
Monk of Kathmandu Minor, State of Kathmandu,
Confederate States of Libertaria

Of the Libertarian Civilization, 780 Anno Domini until 1020 Anno Domini

In the eighth century our nation departed grievously from the ways of our forefathers. Forsaking the principles of tolerance, freedom, and justice, the Libertarian King ordered an invasion of Arabia and Egypt on a pretense. By 780 Cairo was a "Libertarian" territory, whether it wished to be or no.

For a brief time we turned away from our misdeeds. In Karachi the king was toppled and exiled. In its place a confederacy of sovereign States arose, with numerous provisions for local sovereignty. Our presidents signed treaties with our former enemies, the Egyptians; especially after the election of President Common Terry in 796 the Egyptians abandoned their hostility.

But all was not well. In a twist of fate, our allies the Chinese attempted to install a president, but though the economy thrived, the president revealed himself to be despicable and evil: though he managed to get reelected because of the economy, no one trusted him, and patriotism waned. Thus, the Japanese were able to induce the newly conquered territories of Sakhalin and Vladivostok back into the fold.

After this devastating event, the autocratic and despised president was overthrown, and freelance pirates returned to sack Vladivostok and Sakhalin, eventually setting up their own "government" in the name of the Chinese. It would be several decades before order and unity were restored to the Chinese civilization.

After the sudden deposal of President Common Terry by the Egyptians (and the election of Ahmed Illfare in his place) the Egyptians moved into a Republic and made hostile moves towards the Libertarians. Eventually, the Libertarians and Chinese together declared war on the Egyptians, and the regions of Aswan (formerly 23 Dam Inc.) and Tripoli were seized by marauding Libertarian hordes.

In Aswan was located the Leonardo da Vinci Institute, an engineering university of world renown. After receiving the secret of gunpowder from the Chinese, these engineers were able to outfit our companies around the world with newly designed "muskets," weapons that allow one to kill enemies from afar.

The Libertarian Confederacy also made advances in the American continents, after a declaration of war against the Japanese (mostly an act of solidarity with the Chinese, but also because, so they claim, the Japanese had bribed Libertarian armies before). The governor of Denver defected to Libertarian control for a large sum of money, and the city-state of Seattle was seized in a battle that combined Chinese seapower and a brave invasion by Libertarian knights. However, 'tis true that the young city of Rio de Janeiro was sacked and burnt to the ground, the inhabitants that were not killed fleeing into the Amazon wilds.

The world now stands in a state of world war, the Chinese-Libertarian alliance seemingly having the upper hand over the Egyptian-Japanese alliance. The Vikings have remained largely aloof, although they have been technically at war with the Japanese for centuries.

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Curumbor Elendil
jason.sorens@yale.edu
ICQ 56126989

[Curumbor Elendil]

State of the world 1020 AD: brown=Finbar/Vikings; grey=Berzerker/Japanese; purple=Elendil/Indians; yellow=J23/Egyptians; light blue=Dangime/Chinese; green=unclaimed/disputed.



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jason.sorens@yale.edu
ICQ 56126989

[Curumbor Elendil]

A TREATY TO END ALL WARS

A Proposal from President Albert Jay Nock of the Libertarian Confederal Republic

In the interests of putting an end to all jealousies, violent ambitions, and mistrust, the Libertarians propose a reordering of the world's boundaries, to wit:

--After five turns, Egypt receives the coveted Aswan from the Libertarians

--The Libertarians receive More Pond Scum, Pond Scum, Expansion Ball, South Baikal, West Baikal, Pheasant Forest, Arctic Circle, Arctic East, and Great-White-N from the Japanese. The Libertarians retain Tripoli.

--The Japanese receive Seattle, Denver, Billings, San Francisco, Recife, and 1000 gold from the Libertarians, and @end, Mallawi, Gebel Adda, Bubastis, Port Said, El Dakka, Polo Grounds, and Fish Export from the Egyptians.

--The Chinese receive Chita and Steppes-on-Wine from the Japanese and Money Monitors and Stock Exchange from the Egyptians.

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Curumbor Elendil
jason.sorens@yale.edu
ICQ 56126989

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Where's Murray? What happened to Murray Rothbard? Out doing lunch?

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[Curumbor Elendil]

Murray got purged from the movement, didn't you hear?

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jason.sorens@yale.edu
ICQ 56126989

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Chee. Just when a cute little Libertarian popsie had started a Murray Rothbard Fan Club. What to do with 1.5 million autographed photos, the Murray Rothbard line of gum, coffee mugs, lunch boxes and dental prostheses?

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[Curumbor Elendil]

Guess they go into the delete bin along with all those Slaughter CDs.

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Curumbor Elendil
jason.sorens@yale.edu
ICQ 56126989