A confession ...

[The Capo]

Alright, Carney, here is the deal.

I challenge you to a game, not a deul, but a game, me v. you with five AI. I don't want to be friends unless we must be friends. I just want to see how glaringly bad I am compared to you, because you seem to know what you are doing.


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"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

-Winston Churchill


One Love.

[OzzyKP]

Hey Carnide, who was the "Chinks" in that game of yours?

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[Crustacian]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by carnide_ on 10-16-2000 09:43 AM</font>
DaveV: Great post. I learned something new.
"How to find a city with a wonder".
Neat!
Thx a lot.
Now, that could explain the radar guidance for the invasion fleet, dont you think?
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I don't think the find city thing is limited to cities with wonders, but also seems to include promanent cities.

You can not allways just go straight to another player city due to geographical variations. True the cities location is the center of the screen but many maps do not reveal by the clicking method whether that city is coastal or inland. And sailing straight to those coordinates is not allways possible without at least some dead end exploration.

So if you reviewed another players "perfectly" plotted invasion route and it seemed extreemly unlikely they would have navigated in the dark straight there, or if they allways seem do this sort of thing it would be suspicious.

[carnide_]

Excelent aproach, Crusty.

[brocher]

what does WLTPD mean?

[finbar]

We Love The President Day. Growth. If you've got a majority of happy citizens in a city, and no unhappy citizens, and surplus food, your city adds a citizen every turn until any of the aforementioned provisos rear their ugly head.

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[brocher]

thanks i was scratcing my head about that one <center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by finbar on 10-16-2000 07:46 PM</font>
We Love The President Day. Growth. If you've got a majority of happy citizens in a city, and no unhappy citizens, and surplus food, your city adds a citizen every turn until any of the aforementioned provisos rear their ugly head.

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[Curumbor Elendil]

Regarding the powergraph...I notice that sometimes it weights land area more than population, which may be biased toward monarchists over republicans. In monarchy you can build more settlers (more shields, more workers because of greater happiness) and thus more cities, whereas in republic you have fewer but larger cities. Thus, a person following the keep-building-settlers strategy might run ahead on the powergraph even if he's way behind you in population and technology.

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[Nap Bonaparte]

LOL......I guess that you aimed this thread at me Carnide. The 2nd game you mentioned was our 4th round tourny game with you, Crusty, and myself. Since you cant understand how I did the production and R&D I guess that I will take it as a compliment. The funny thing is, the production and R&D were no big deal. The only thing that was difficult for me was launching a full-scale assault against you in Republic,advancing against you while in anarchy, and delivering the attack while in Democracy....without having even one unhappy city. I will respond to your concerns in a continuing series of threads. I cant type very well so this will take a while.First.....a few generalities. The last save I have before I attacked you was from 960 AD (about 4 turns before you quit). I had 24 cities and 32 units to your 25 cities and 24 units. You were ahead of me in pop 3.6 mil to 2.8 mil. I dont know how the game calculates land area but I had settled 3 continents....I had control of the entire northern hemisphere while you and Crusty shared the southern hemisphere. I led you in manufactured goods 137 mtons to 116 mtons. We were tied for 1st in Literacy at 32%(whatever that means). I led you in productivity 69-60. My city improvements consisted of 13 temples,1 library,1 courthouse, 1 aquaduct and 1 harbor for a total maintenance cost of 20 gold/turn. You had 22 temples and 5 cathedrals for a cost of 37 gold/turn. Since I had Mikes you had a lot more invested in infrastructure development and maitainence. Now for some specific topics.....

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[SmartFart]

I doubt i can tell you anything new. Pyramids could help alot in both powergraph and science,but they require at least one happiness wonder to work in its full potential.
Monarchy is very powerfull thing for expansion.

Don't play zoners. They're almost all cheaters.

[Nap Bonaparte]

Lesson #1: Research and Development(or how to generate trade arrows)
The 2nd city I founded around 3600 BC was Brundism. It had a whale and a gold special and I designated it as my future SSC. I did a lot of improvements with roads and irrigation and by 960 AD it was size 9...the largest city on the board. It had a temple, courthouse, library, harbor, aquaduct and Colossus. Brundism generated 59 trade arrows(2 were corrupted). Of course I cant take credit for all this, Carnide was responsible for over 1/4 of the total trade(15 arrows) from 2 trade routes that he established.Brundism generated 52 beakers per turn , more than Carnides top 3 cities together(Little Bighorn 18,Slim Buttes 16, Wounded Knee 14).This is with both of our science rates set at 60%. I was trying to build HG here early on(HG acts just like Colossus in the city it is built in while in Monarchy....ie 1 extra trade arrow per trade generating square)but I went for Trade 1st and the game didnt let me select pottery until it was too late. Carnide beat me by 1 turn to HG so I built Colossus on the next turn. I wasnt happy about that but it was the best thing that could have happened. I seemed to have had an extensive tech edge over Carnide until he stole 4 techs from me. I employed a silk strategy over the early part of the game....ie trade arrows and production over pop growth. I fell behind in pop and cities but was able to build most of the important wonders.....especially Mikes and Pyramids. To be continued..........

[iadkins]

OK, so what Nappy is saying makes sense to me:

* carnide was leading the pg and biggest in pop.

* Nappy concentrated on arrows and R&D rather than pop growth. This can get a lot of techs early in the game.

I'm often behind on techs when I go for pop growth.
So why does markus think there is cheating going on here?
Looking at just one save late in the game where carnide is researching at a higher rate doesn't mean it was always so...

What I really want to know is whether the Napster used the 'find city feature'

Lesson 2 coming right up....

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[Crustacian]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by SmartFart on 10-17-2000 12:59 AM</font>

Don't play zoners. They're almost all cheaters.
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SF...What type of cheating methods do you think the Zone players use most? Is it modified rules text theings or what?

[finbar]

Didn't Moker answer this the other week? He cited amended rules.txt and made reference to some form of hack that lets the player do pretty much anything.

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[Crustacian]

yeah i guess he did, yet I was interested to see if Smart Farts perspective on it.
I wonder if it is so rampant on the zone how do they find a sucker left to play who does not know of this?