Tales from the Diplomatic Front VI

[Rasputin00]

The Great Raz has spoken to his cartogrophers and will post an updated map of the extent of the FUC alliances land borders as soon as possible.

As I stated above, if a FUC member allows foreigners onto his soil, then that is fine, but if any FUC member requires solitude then that must be repsected too, and we will up hold there rights to this. As Romans have made no posts re problems with northern Roman land being shared by Texans then this is tantamount to agreement, However any further Texan land grabs at FUC land will be frowned upon. The Roman people need room to expand and their appears ample space for them if current borders are kept. Sioux homeland is full of two other nations so sioux people require space that has been allotted to them by the FUC, any trespass into future Sioux territory will displease us.

Once again we reiterate our stance that we shall not cross the Border between Texas and Finbarville unless we are provoked by others...


Let peace rule and hope all attend peace agreemnt signing....

[Matthew]

For many Centuries was Rome plagued with backwardsness and distress due to the presence on our continent of evil barbarians. But through the grace of the magnificent Sioux we have grown mightily these past years. Our generous allies offered us all techs they understood, but great
caesar in wisdom declined much of the knowledge. Too much knowledge too quickly can cause the minds of wisemen to grow stagnant. Therefore we declined this knowledge for the time being to keep our wiemen productive. And we. even in our ignorance, have already contributed somewhat to the body of knowledge shared by our great alliance.

But it seems that a new threat has come upon the Roman people. In a recent time our allies exchanged maps with us, which revealed two Fountina cities upon our land to the north. Rather than act out of fear and suspicion, however, we sought peace with the Fountinians, and to set in stone our border. Our last act was to make a jesture of peace to the Fountinians, welcoming them to the Roman continent. For although the Fountinians had continents of their own, we fealt that we could live in peace with them on our homeland. However, further expansion on Roman lands would cause us disadvantage. We now see that Empress has given one of her cities to Texas. This does not distress us, as we wish to live also in peace with Texas. What does distress us is that the texans have now laid claim to more of our land, in spite of having vast regions open to them on their own continent which they also claim. Were it not for the evil barbarians all of the land of Rome would already be settled. We have no problem with Texas expanding further upon the continent of Rome, but only if Texas also agrees to give an equal ammount of land to Rome on the continent of Texas.

Rome did not seek hostility towards Texas in joining the Naciones Federailzados Unidos. Only friendship and help. For this great organization is about peace, not war. Had we desired war, and sought the destruction of Texas, then Empress would now also be a member of our alliance. But in wisdom, to avoid such an imbalance that would inevitibly lead to war we declined her request for membership, but asked for friendship. And how does texas repay us? By breathing out threats. But alas, no harm is yet done. Rome will respect the right of the former Empress city "of the Moon" (we know not what it is now called, and it baffles us that the city exchange took place without our knowledge) provided that Texas expands no further upon our lands, or offers lteir lands in exchange of what they take.

[Frank Johnson]

For the record, the city in question Arlington, was constructed with a Texan settler in conjunction with an exploration effort that was launched before I had any contact with Empress. Only after exchanging maps with Empress did I learn that I was on the coninent of Northern Rome.

I take it that from the comments made by the Romans that they accept the graphical boarders in the map above. Expansion beyond that area will not occur, despite the fact that the territory is clearly raw, still filled with huts.

[Matthew]

There seems yet to be a minor misunderstanding as to the Roman position. Understanding that settlers from the great civilizations of Texas and Fountina settled in ignorance on the Roman homeland, Rome respects the rights of all citizens in those cities already built to work the land wiiithin their city radius. And in the interrest of peace, and in order that the citizens of the cities in question not be caught up in the wiles of international politics, but may continue to live out their lives in peace, Rome will not complicate matters by asking for lands in compensation for what was taken in innocence and ignorance. However, understand, the continent in question is Roman land, and we lay claim to all land in question not yet within the city radius of forign cities. As for the unopened huts, Rome has experienced enough trouble in settling the land in question with barbarians, and huts have not heretofore been good to Rome. We do not desire to further slow the process of settling by inciting more barbarian uprisings. But even now there is a Roman settler within the borders of land claimed by Texas.

As for lands north of Arlington, that may be negotiable, but we ask in peace that neither Texas nor Fountina, who have so much land elsewhere, settle further upon Roman lands. Open no goody huts on plains or grassland, and if you open goody huts elsewhere, do so only in the event that you have sufficient military units on hand to destroy any barbarians that appear from the huts. Note also that Rome is morally obligated to share this continent with her great ally, the Sioux, who are mightily crouded in their own homeland. We therefore can afford little more by way of territorial consessions to the great civilizations of Texas and Fountina.

All Rome expresses deep gratitude for the support in this matter that has been expressed by her allies.

[Frank Johnson]

Why did you not raise these concearns when my map was first published? The remaining settlers from my expedition should be allowed to complete settlements in the designated area.

Roman claims to have a settler in lands currently claimed by Texas is an outright lie. If this were true I would have made contact and withdrew, the fact is no Roman settlement exists west of Veii in North Rome, and while roman settlers may exist west of there, they have no made contact with my frontal scouts, indicating that the settler cannot be in Texan claimed area.

You are bound by your prior silence, even the founder of your FUC has stated that such issues cannot legitimately be made at this late date.

Despite the fact that you are lying about having a settler in land claimed by me, I will not hold that against you, and will only settle in areas priorly claimed. I can assure you, by the time we meet the settlement will already be established, since I am confedant your claim is false.
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[Matthew]

As to why I have raised no issues earlier, in another world Caesar is also a husband, a father of 3, and a graduate student. in short, I have been well occupied thelast few days
The settler in question has been long built, but was delayed by barbarians, and is on the fringe of territory youclaim.

It is a huge tract of Roman land you lay claim to. Rome is being more than reasonable in aquiescing to the city you have already built. If you so desire to settle more Roman lands, it is negotiable only in exchange for an equal ammount of territory currently claimed by Texas. Note the term negotiable. This does not mean to be negotiated after Texas has taken more Roman land. That means we negotiate first, and if the land you offer, (and you do have much that you claim that remains unsettled I see) is suitable, I may agree.

As to the exact location of the settler, errors in the Roman GPS system not withstanding, (I don't have a saved game file) the land you claim is unquestionably on the Roman continent. You obviously didn't know this when you built your settler, but you do now. You obviously have 2 options availible to maintain good will between our Civilizations.

1. Negotiate with Rome as to the place you wish to build a new city on Roman lands, in exchange for a parcel of equal quality of the vast tracts claimed, but as of yet unsettled by Texas. Rome will not agree to any new Texan city cite which significantly blocks Roman expansion into the rest of Roman territory.

2. put the settler on a boat, and sail him to some of that unsettled land on the Texan homeland.

Note again that the land in question is far closer to Veii, (recently renamed in commemoration of our great ally, the Sioux) the oldest current city of Rome, than it is to the center of Texan civilization. Who would not agree that the territory in question is much more naturally a part of Rome? If Texas does not wish to be inconvinienced in having to ship his settler elsewhere, the answer is simple: negotiate. but be prepared to be reasonable.

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[Frank Johnson]

OK, I'll let this one get away then, but remember that a nation of such power of the Texans will not bend like this in the future. The poor Romans hit me with their sob story and I will accept it THIS TIME. Rome is a mere regional power now but in the future its lands give it the potiental to be much more, and it is only by my grace that I allow them to settle the river area which I could easily take first, and I have claimed since last saturday.


I am willing to bet I could have easily beaten your settler to the location I had planned, since your settler is not in Texan claimed territory.

In exchange for this, you will make no attempt to stop a futher Texan city, north of Arlington. This seems like a very fair agreement, for allowing you to settle a prime area which I could easily take for myself in exchange for an area which Empress truely had more claim to than Rome ever did.

The "what if" of Rome without barbarians cannot be accepted as a valid negoiating point. Roman lands are amongst the most fertile and lush in the world, containing many grasslands and rivers. It was only natural for both Empress and I to seek new lands after starting on cold, forested terrians. Rome, with merely the territory it now holds has the greatest potiental of any of the known homelands.

Texas has given its full dole of charity to the FUC. I have gave, and gave, and gave to you. Be thankful and glad, but grow not used to it. Texas shall defend with greater zeal, the smaller territory it now will inhabit.

This should offically end the "bailout" of Rome. Whatever fate befalls Rome now, it will not be because we did not help them........

[Frank Johnson]

I would like to call your attention to the revised map now in the post at the top of the page. I believe it will be acceptable to all parties.

It allows the Romans the settlement of the prime river location they desire. In exchange I will be allowed a city location north-east of Arlington (marked in red)

It also grants Empress territory on the West Point Penisula.

(Note that you may have to manually order the image to reload, by right clicking and viewing it at the sources as I did, if your browser has cached the old image)
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[Frank Johnson]

Matt will post in a few hours as he is currently in a game, and the forum slows it down too much. Thats what he informed me.

[Empress]

The Empress wishes to express her gratitude towards the granting of land by the Great Texan Nation and by the Romans. Truely, I did not know of your land before I settled, nor did I meet the Texans until later. Empress wishes for world peace and thinks the new borders drawn by the Texans to be quite fair and reasonable, and hopes the FUC will agree...

Goddess Empress
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[Matthew]

Great Caesar recognises the magnanimity of the Texans. We realize that Texas has conceeded much, and withdraw our demand for land in the Texan homeland in return for additional city that Texas wishes to build in Northern Rome. We indeed welcome the additional Texan city on our continent. We recognise the new border proposed by Texas as just and eternal. We also recognize the deep religious ties that must surely bind our peoples together, for do not all Texans rejoice in the construction of an edifice to worship one born within the Roman Empire? Long may we share this land in peace and prosperity.
Rome will also unilateraly, in the interrest of peace, and as a token of trust to the peaceful Texan people, swear, as long as Rome be in a state of peace, to never position more than 1 double movement land unit in either cities Rome intends to build in the region ceeded to Rome.

[iadkins]

And where the hell are the Spanish in all this!! Visaggio, come in! Are you real? No one seems to have found you... Clay-Pigeon subbed for you in the last session, so maybe he could post? He said things were a bit grim

FRoTTR is a lousy acronym for the Texans!

How about:

Fiery And Robust Texan Aggressors

A little easier to remember


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[Rasputin00]

Here is the bordersas stated by FUC..

Note
1. Any inacurracy along borders og Empress/ Texas territry is due to lack of staleeites

2. The Roman/ Texan/ Empress agreemnt of borders is included.

3. Unknown wherabout sof mysterious Yellow men is marked in suspected location.

4. There is no border between Diety and Spanish as Spanish have not been met to discuss borders yet.

5. Final extent of Sioux state in Roman lands is to be agreed between Roman leader and sioux laeader, to be reitfied at next meeting of FUC at VeiiLovesSiuoux

6. As can be seen from this view of whole world, Empress's Empire of green is probalby laregest followed by Texan. The unknown Spanish appear to have large area to lay claim to. The MMad monks and Deitians appear to have shared their lack of spoace well with almost equal size kingdoms , but smaller than land area of Empress or Texan leader. A good area of land is avaialble for Romans too. The poor Sioux obviuously need more room to expand

[Rasputin00]

damn typos .. that should read Satellites !!!! :0

[hydey]

It appears maybe to Sioux have been shafted in regards to land serve us right for helping another in need

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