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    OK, I'll admit I was tired when this happened and I didn't document things very well, but I do have turnsaves available. Here's what happened...

    I was playing my standard deity-raging-medium game, going to AC. Played as an isolationist democracy (well, isolation except for trade of course). Got my techs through Laser, then converted to Happy Soft Fundy for cashflow as I built freights for SS parts.

    Of course, by the time I launched, all civs were at war with me. But I decided to just play defense and returned to Happy Democracy for WLTPD in the final years. That's when it got weird.

    In many cities, improvements were no longer there, especially happy stuff like temples. I though maybe I was just confused and had never bought them (but I always buy Temples!). I also noticed a couple of Size 10 cities with no Acqueducts. Hmm, I thought.

    Then, when I went to the build list, the missing city improvements were not listed.
    Improvements not in city (+)
    Improvements not avaialable to build.

    HOW COULD THIS BE?

    Totally weirded me out. Is this something that's totally normal that I just never experienced (or never noticed) before? (I fully admit this as a viable possible explanation.)

    BTW, this is MGE for Mac, up-to-date patches, no rules mods.

    I humbly seek the enlightenment of the forum.
    Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
    RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms

  • #2
    Mac shenanigans or memory monkeyshine? Did the number of improvements change in your trade advisor window?
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    • #3
      Stray -- Thanx for posting. You lead me believe this is definitely weird and not a known effect. somehow, that's comforting.

      I'm gonna look at the saves over the weekend. All I know is, when I went from Fundy (soft) to Demo, it was all weird.

      I also want to check to see if I lost only the listing n the city box, or if I also lost the effect. I think the fact that the items were unavailable to re-acquire may mean that I lost no functionality, only the listing.

      I should have saves from each year...
      Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
      RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms

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      • #4
        I'm with Stray - looks like a glitch...

        SG[1]
        "Our words are backed by empty wine bottles! - SG(2)
        "One of our Scouse Gits is missing." - -Jrabbit

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        • #5
          Many wierd things in civ happen, but I have never seen this.

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          • #6
            OK, I think I've determined it's just a glitch, and almost certainly just display-related.

            Loaded 1899 (Fundy) and listed improvements in the first 8 cities as a sample. Notable were:
            Aystings -- bank
            Cherbourg -- Harbour
            Chartres -- Courthouse, Aqueduct, Bank factory
            Dijon -- aqueduct, mass Transit, Factory, Harbour, Offshore, Sewage

            Yet in 1894-1898, these cities had the same improvements as above, plus...
            Aystings -- Temple, Marketplace, Library, City Walls
            Cherbourg -- Granary, Temple, marketplace, aqueduct
            Chartres -- Granary, Temple, Marketplace, library
            Dijon -- Temple, marketplace, library, Courthouse...

            Added evidence -- no difference in happiness levels despite missing temple and Marketplace in many cities.

            Final evidence -- I loaded 1897 and played a turn. 1898 was a normal continuation, with the same happiness levels as in the freak-out version.

            So i guess I just spent an eventing in Bizarro Civ World. No harm, no foul.

            Just very weird...
            Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
            RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms

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            • #7
              Was it after a friday night session at Mings?
              The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits

              Hydey the no-limits man.

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              • #8
                I ran into vanishing SDI defenses a loooong time ago. I'd be attacked one turn and the nuke was defeated. Next turn came around and my city would get hit again - this time with no SDI. Not pleasant.
                It happened with at least 3 different cities - not all in the same turn so it wasn't just a one-offer.

                Probably pre-CiC though...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hydey
                  Was it after a friday night session at Mings?
                  Lol, he didn't tell us, but some of this items in his house also disappeared that night, and reappeared in strange places.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hydey
                    Was it after a friday night session at Mings?
                    As always Hydey knows the answer.
                    googol... this is a number!
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                    • #11
                      It's real easy to not remember things after some of our Friday "gaming" sessions

                      keep on civin'... and drinkin'... and civin'... and drinkin'
                      Keep on Civin'
                      RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ming
                        keep on civin'... and drinkin'... and civin'... and drinkin'
                        Ming ... are you sure you don't come from Liverpool?

                        That kind of talk sounds like a DL for the Gits

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                        "Our words are backed by empty wine bottles! - SG(2)
                        "One of our Scouse Gits is missing." - -Jrabbit

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                        • #13
                          "Bizarro Civ World" = Friday at Ming's? @ Hydey. Good one!

                          Hmm. I wonder which universe has Ming's residence in Liverpool?
                          If Gits drank beer instead of wine, it would be a perfect match. Although personally, I'm flexible on this issue...
                          Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
                          RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms

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                          • #14
                            yes, the online drinkin and civin is contagious, i see helicopters some nights

                            chalk it up to him being a ****** and selling the buildings to buy more beer

                            just kidding -Jrabbit
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                            • #15
                              Ming is really our DL

                              I like it!

                              SG[1]
                              "Our words are backed by empty wine bottles! - SG(2)
                              "One of our Scouse Gits is missing." - -Jrabbit

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