Why do I still play civ2?

[Black Bart]

It's graphics are outdated, the genre is near death. But oh why is it still so addictive. SMAC is history, but civ2 is still my most played game.

My name is Black Bart, and I'm addicted to civ2. (note I really don't want to be cured ).

To stray from my pointlessness, why do new games suck? I played the sims for a while, but I'm tired of that. SMAC no longer gets any play. Same with some of my sports games. I really didn't get my money's worth out of that. Some new games have good gameplay, but the replay value is not there.

[AkwaticDudeCity]

quote: Originally posted by Black Bart on 04-04-2000 03:57 AM Some new games have good gameplay, but the replay value is not there.

Exactly!


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ugh crud, why won't they fall prey to my Machiavellian schemes?

[The Mad Monk]

I believe the problem has to do with an over-emphasis on graphics in today's games, with a resulting under-emphasis in other aspects of the game. While an emphasis in graphics certainly makes sense in first person shooters, and aids enjoyment with real time strategy games, it really isn't required for turn based strategy games; Civ II is a case in point--for that matter, so is MoO2.

If Civ III comes out with 'advanced graphics' that chew up more than their fair share of processor time,(instead of bigger maps, better management tools, killer AI, etc.), I will be sorely disappointed.

[Hendrik the Great]

I admit it! I'm an addict, too. I played it once many years ago and ever since it has been getting worse by the day.
Oh, please were is our equivalent of the AA?!
Why not establish the Anonymous Civilians before it is too late?

And yes, it is its replayability. it's just too replayable(***must suppress need to play, must suppress need to play, must suppress need to play...***Breaks open the lock on the save and gets out CD to play with sounds...)

Please...somebody help me...





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[BeBMan]

Hello Andz83,
I think the Aok-editor isn´t bad for some new AoK-campaigns, but I think it hasn´t such great abilities as the Civ2-editors.
In AoK, You can only use predefined elements for the terrain or the buildings. And, correct me if I´m wrong, can you change the names, the look, the sounds or the combat values of any AoK-Unit? Ok, You can create own triggers, but I believe that the AoK-scenarios are "only" scenarios. But, in my opinion, when You look on the best scenarios for Civ2 (RedFront or others), You think sometimes, You see a NEW GAME.
Please, if there is a way to edit the things in AoK I described, let me know, cause I really like the game.

And to The Mad Monk: No, I have not Total Annihilation, would You say it´s as good as Civ2?

[Smash]

This kind of thread brings up an interesting question.

Is civilization an addictive substance?akin to drugs,alchohol,gambling or sex?

I know my life changed(somewhat) after civ.Before my free time was spent golfing,shootin pool,goin to clubs,movies,watchin sports on TV,hangin with freinds etc.Now most of my free time is spent playing,plotting or reading about civ.After Multiplayer edition it got worse.First it was 10pm.Then 11.then 12.Soon it was 3am.Then the sun was rising.Its ridiculous

I think a clinical study needs to be done.Maybe the makers knew all along the potentially harmful effects of this game.Perhaps a lawsuit (ala tobacco industry) is in order


I refer the reader to Coug's thread "you know you've played civ too long when..."which is in it's 2nd or 3rd life now.

[Black Bart]

Well at least it doesn't damage our health. Aside from the lack of excercise. Although some may dispute it damages our mental health. Sometimes when I'm walking alone in my neighborhood at night I see barbarians threatening my captitol.

[Civfan]

Geez, its such an old game and for some reason we all can't stop playing it. Even though I haven't played the original game in years, the lure of scenarios keeps me coming back to the game. Its just so addictive!!

[The Mad Monk]

BeBro: it's hard to compare, since they are two different types of game; it would be easier to compare with Starcraft or Age of Kings. Having said that, I would say TA matches Civ in both quality and replayability. Considering your complaints regarding Age of Kings, it's definately worth a shot.

I posted a couple fan sites in Uncle sparky's thread over in the Civ Comparison / Other Games forum; poking around in there should be helpful.

[BeBMan]

Yes, Civ2 is a great game, much better than most of the new games. But the best for me are the scenario editors from FW. No other game lets You create such detailed scenarios, and in no other game You can change so many aspects of the gameplay.
I like Starcraft, which has also a good scenario editor, but You cannot include Your own graphics there. Age Of Kings is also nice, but the editor is simply a joke.

[Andz83]

quote: Originally posted by BeBro on 04-04-2000 12:05 PM Age Of Kings is also nice, but the editor is simply a joke.

Can you explain me why this is the case? I think the AoK-Editor is good enough to create scenarios.

Might be out of topic but one more post is one more post...

[Empress]

I dunno but if you find a cure for this addiction let me know!

[The Mad Monk]

BeBro: have you tried Total Annhilation? The fan base has proven beyond all doubt that the game is so customizable that it may as well be open source!

[George Garrett]

Bart, did you ever try the ORIGINAL Earl Weaver Baseball? This, for me, rivals Civ2 in
riveting me to the computer

[mindseye]

The reason is DRAMA! Civ2 is ENGAGING!

The underlying algorithms are so accurate! The way history unfolds before you is often uncannily realistic! Okay, okay, sometimes it's ridiculous, but for the most part it's realistic enough to give me the feeling that I have a personal stake in history and can even influence it. It's intellectually challenging due to it's flexibility. Its open-ended extensibility allows scenario designers to continue evolving the game, keeping it fresh.

quote: It's graphics are outdated

Black Bart, I will be changing that for you in about a week with the release of the second version of the HiRes graphics patch... stay tuned!

- mindseye