Whats the Bloody point?

[The Andy-Man]

Whats the bloody point of having a massive greek empire of 38 cities, spanning from spain to japan, if you cant push the other civs around?

At first glance i thought 'hey! I could demand tributes. My power is supreme, and i have the catapults to back up my threats, lets go'

First thing i do, goto the diplomacy screen and speak to the vikings with one city and 2 units left: I DEMAND MONEY.

answer, we ignore your feeble threat.

Next turn, bye bye Gunhild.

Next turn: Americans and Sioux sign an anti greek agression pact.


this is on prince mode btw.

[Father Beast]

Hmmnn... doesn't seem like much does it?
I have had the occaisional huge empire with lots of advanced units, and a zulu warrior comes up and demands tribute in exchange for refraining from crushing my pathetic civilization. they will also declare War! over it, go figure, and sue for peace as soon as I wipe out a settler of theirs.
I don't get it.

[The Andy-Man]

stupid AI, its like your up against 6 irish nations (no offence).

[Scouse Gits]

I don't know the exact details of your game Andy Man, but the AI will use that "Ignore your feeble threats" reponse in a number of circumstances:

a) You have just received tribute from them in the last few turns.
b) They don't have any money to give you.
c) You can only gain tribute if you are on the same continent as the relevant Civ.

I suspect that they just don't have the cash

The anti human player "aggression pacts" are common playing at Deity level after 1750AD - I assume the same date holds good for Prince.

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SG(2)

[The Andy-Man]

the first pact was signed in 1000AD...

The Aztecs have only their capital city left, they demanded metalurgy. I said no, and they say: Prepare for WAR!'

This is with 1 city left and me having 5 on that continent...

[Earwicker]

Seldom, if ever, has the AI been accused of rational, intelligent thinking in the face of superior forces.

It would be so much better if Civ, like SMAC, had the "Surrender and Serve" option for dying Civs. It's a nuisance and a pity to destroy civs only because of their rulers' arrogance.

[The Andy-Man]

its no pity whiping out the last city of a civ with 30 artillary

Its just a nuisance if that last city has city walls and you cnat be bothered to make the spies and diplo's to break 'em...

Its like the anti agression pacts they make give them a flase sense of security.

And btw, has anyone ever seen 2 AI civs which have an anti agression pact, break the alliance and declare war on each other?

[Earwicker]

Being a howitzer man myself, I like to leave the city walls alone.

I am more likely to see the war-peace-alliance all in between one turn that the AI is so fond of. Dogpile the Human, I think it's called. I love causing those alliances to break, while their units are wandering around within each others' territories - pay one civ enough to declare war on an enemy. Watch them both plummet in the powergraph.

[Rasputin]

I nerver find AI will give me truibutes once i get powerful , they obviously run scared.. then if i do attack one of them (usually after they attack first) all the other AI gang up on me and share techs to catch me up. very unfair, this happens in all my games and can happen very early in game pre 1000AD...

[The Andy-Man]

its very hard to use howitzers when know body has discovered steam engine.........


This is a problem with ICSing, 30 cities by the year 1000bc, all with garrisons. by the bc/ad turn, 3 nations have already signed a nice anti-you agressionm patc :mad

[The Andy-Man]

and these stupid smilies never work :evenmadder

[Thoth]

Originally posted by Scouse Gits
c) You can only gain tribute if you are on the same continent as the relevant Civ.

SG(2)

You don't have to start on the same continent. If you have a sufficiently large colony the AI will pony up. I suspect it makes the decision based on number of cities and military strength.

[The Andy-Man]

Latest news:

In a game as the persians on euro map, i am the most scientificly advanced nation (by far), and by chance have again amasses a high number of cities, am the only nation (apart from from my backward allies the greeks) to have gunpowder. Almost every city is defended by 3 musketeers ready for when i discover metullergy and loose the great wall.

The year, 1220. In 2 turns, all nations apart from greece have signed an anti agression patc Even the germans who have only one city left after massive wars with greece have declared war on me.

Now get this, they have all signed anti agression pacts, against a nation that only ever declared war once, and that was just because the sioux were showing signs of hostile intent, so i sent 2 or 3 of my far advanced army and beat them back a city


For a nation that has a history of little agression, lots of people havesigned anti me agression p[acts

[splangy]

Originally posted by The Andy-Man
Latest news:

In a game as the persians on euro map, i am the most scientificly advanced nation (by far), and by chance have again amasses a high number of cities, am the only nation (apart from from my backward allies the greeks) to have gunpowder. Almost every city is defended by 3 musketeers ready for when i discover metullergy and loose the great wall.

The year, 1220. In 2 turns, all nations apart from greece have signed an anti agression patc Even the germans who have only one city left after massive wars with greece have declared war on me.

Now get this, they have all signed anti agression pacts, against a nation that only ever declared war once, and that was just because the sioux were showing signs of hostile intent, so i sent 2 or 3 of my far advanced army and beat them back a city


For a nation that has a history of little agression, lots of people havesigned anti me agression p[acts

i agree, its like im all and for NO reason they become im like ok time to die! then they all act like and
(smileys are fun)

[The Andy-Man]

well if the ai didn't be nastyy, i would never have seen that colourfull post. I think i will frame it