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Awesome! That's it. I just verified it. If you are under communism the max distance is 10.Comment
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I have only tested and verified the communism distance 10 factor with units, not cities. I will verify it for cities this weekend.
I suggest two changes to the formula 4.1:[*]The cost to bribe units with a role=5 (settlers) is double that of other units. [*]DF = 3*12.5/(D+2) should be simplified to DF = 37.5/(D+2)
SlowThinker, ask MarkG to fix you login.Comment
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Have put the link for this thread in the Great Library.
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Post 30
I made an interesting discovery. Diplomats can subvert a city if there are no units in it.
I also tested the previous owner thing. The result was that the civiliztion to own the city before its current owner gets half price. If you founded it and it has changed hands several times, your out of luck - no discount.
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Post 31
My post 19 was shortened under transmission. No matter: just forget the last sentence (12.11). The first 3 statements (3.1, 3.13, 4.51) remain true IMO (unfortunately I cannot send any save game since I play at home and post at my office with no link in between).
Post 20 is complete, I think. In fact, it is my answer to point 12.3.
Let me know if there is anything else I could or should do.Aux bords mystérieux du monde occidentalComment
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Post 32
La Fayette,
3.1 Did you read Post 21?? IMHO it clarifies all.
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Let me know if there is anything else I could or should do.
Apologize for disbelieving my formula!
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Originally posted by La Fayette
(unfortunately I cannot send any save game since I play at home and post at my office with no link in between).
La Fayette, there were "floppy disks" in my young years. Do you remember?
4.51 I suppose William Keenan and me solved the problem. See Post 24 and the appropriate part of Post 1.
Edit: sorry, I deleted the Post 24. See post 1.
Yes, post 20 is complete, I suppose it was my mistake, I wanted to point to the post 19. I didn't include it because I think there still remains some error in our tests: results are very strange.
William Keenan,
I tested subverting cities by diplomats. It worked not only for empty cities! It seems that 3.5 is valid for both spy AND diplomat...
(3.5 Spy may bribe a city two ways: "incite revolt" or "subvert city". It is possible to subvert city only if you have cease fire, peace or you are allied.)
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POST 33
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Originally posted by Slow Thinker on 03-20-2001 08:14 PM
Winkler claims veteran status of both spy and diplomat affects bribing cost. I am prepared to remove a red note about Winkler at 3.1 ("5/6 or 2/3 if a spy or veteran spy is bribing")
if anybody will confirm I am right and only spy is affected by vet status when bribing cities.
I have confirmed it. Winkler was wrong.
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I proved the previous owner thing. I agree.
Is this expressed correctly (you know, my english...)?
if dip/spy's civ was the last owner of the city before the curent owner. (If the civ founded it and it has changed hands several times, then no discount applies.)
I would just say: 1/2 if bribing civ was the previous owner.
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Originally posted by William Keenan
I have only tested and verified the communism distance 10 factor with units, not cities. I will verify it for cities this weekend.
Did you prove it?[/quote]
My testing created more questions then answers. According to my tests Communism made no difference in the bribe price of any city, barbarian or otherwise.Comment
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Post 34
William,
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Originally posted by William Keenan on 03-21-2001 11:04 PM
My testing created more questions then answers. According to my tests Communism made no difference in the bribe price of any city, barbarian or otherwise.
It works IMO...Did you take into consideration that government of the civ whose city is bribed must be under communism?
Edited: Do you want to exchange .sav files?
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Originally posted by William Keenan
I would just say: 1/2 if bribing civ was the previous owner.
Is "previous" enough? Cannot "previous" be understood as "previous or previous of previous"?
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It works IMO...Did you take into consideration that government of the civ whose city is bribed must be under communism?
Did you prove it?
You are right. The Barbarians are under communism their palace distance becomes 10, just like every other civ. I proved it.
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Is "previous" enough? Cannot "previous" be understood as "previous or previous of previous"?
1/2 if bribing civ was the last owner of the city prior to its current owner.
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Post 36
William,
thank you.
What do you think about 3.5 (see Post 32)? I think that
there is no difference between dip
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spy and a presence of a unit in the city has no effect.
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