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  • #16
    And now for a more serious and maybe even correct answer about why the pyramids count as graneries in CIV II. We all have commented on the Historical Nature of CIV II. While I don't know the thinking process used by either Sid or the design team for the Wonders, I did find this in the History of the Franks by Bishop Gregory of Tours.

    In Book I, Chapter 10 of his history Gregory says in talking about the Nile: "Beside the river stands the city of Babylon, not the Babylon which I have described already, but the one where Joseph built granaries of wonderful workmanship made of square stones and cement. They are constructed in such a way that they are very broad at the base but narrow at the top, so that corn could be poured into them through a small aperture. These granaries are still to be seen to this day." The translator provides two notes to this passage. The first on the name Babylon, "Babylon, a fortress in Lower Egypt, opposite to the Pyramids." And, the second on the "Granaries". "What Gregory takes for granaries are the Pyramids."

    In his preface Gregory states that what modern events and places he decribes are either something he has witnessed himself or had related to him by reliable witnesses. He wrote his History of the Franks during the latter portion of the 6th Century and it is my understanding that it wasn't until Neapolianic times that the true nature of the Pyramids was discovered. So the association of the Pyramids with granaries may be a long standing one, even though incorrect. The design team may have felt that all players would be well versed enough in Western History to understand that association. Then again they might have used Blue Sky pipe dreams that had no connection at all to reality.

    Ken

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    • #17
      Ken, your explanation is quite convincing. Have looked at what the Greeks (Herodote, Strabon) said about the Pyramids, I would like to know but cannot manage in the near future to go to a specialized library to find it out.

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      • #18
        quote:

        Originally posted by KhanMan on 06-27-2000 04:23 AM
        Hmmm...here's an equally logical proof for the "Great Wall provides immunity to nuclear missles of Democratic ai-civs" argument.
        1. Great Wall was built in China
        2. The Chinese are adept at spying
        3. The Chinese have infiltrated the nuclear labs of America, which holds the most sophisticated nuclear technology
        4. Only a fool would start a war with China right now
        5. China has fuel campaign donations to lead Democrats
        Therefore, Chinese cities all gain immunity to Democrat missles when they hide behind the Great Wall.
        Or, if you want, you could use the same faulty logic to prove that the world is, indeed, square.



        “All the Chinese bandits having chopped off all the foreign ears, we have time to consider not only the subject Atrocity, but the subjects Bandits, and the subject Missionaries, and the subject Foreigners, and the subject Chinese. All the politicians who are going to be elected have been elected; and all the artificial excitement in events which no one really regards as either very important or very interesting has been exhausted. All the historical events have happened.”
        Laura Riding, Preminilaries to Epilogue I, 1927.

        Good old Laura knew nothing about Civilization II, but she knew of the Chinese and of history. And your very bright text reminded me of her work.
        I think this quote should puzzle you all a little bit, and that’s all it is intended for.




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        • #19
          I doubt Joseph had any reason the designers thought of the pyramids that way.

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          • #20
            Wait aminute, didn't Sid get the inspiration for Civ in one of those wierd dreams where a silly AI is chasing you naked through the streets of Beijing?

            My question, then: Why did he allow Disney to film a movie about Joseph, when he knew the Flood and Famine of CtP was coming?

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            • #21
              ROTFLMAO!!!

              This thread is priceless!! There's a thread in the Off-Topic Forum about must read books. This is a must read thread!

              BTW. Anyone know why fire engines are painted red?

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              • #22
                Strange that you all missed the obvious importance of the fact that Pyramids can fly. How else could some of them end up in South America?

                In times of famine, the Egyptians simply boarded the Pyramids and raided countries that had a more fortunate harvest. So although Pyramids aren't giant Granaries, they are equivalent, and counting as a Granary in every city makes perfect sense .

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                • #23
                  please!


                  EVERYBODY knows that the pyramids can fly!

                  you don't need to say it, that's where the missing set of thrusters went during the Mars crisis...
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                  • #24
                    No, I know the reason. It's because if you climb up them and jump, you can fly. Then you fly and land in the enemies irrigated farms and then dig under the ground with the food all the way back to the pyramids. That has to be the reason. Well if that is the reason why didn't they call it the "Foraging Flying Sorty Base"?

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                    • #25
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                      Originally posted by jcarkey on 11-28-2000 05:51 PM
                      Well if that is the reason why didn't they call it the "Foraging Flying Sorty Base"?


                      Er - they did, sorta: "Pyr-a-M'id".

                      Pyr = Fly
                      A = To, Towards
                      M'id = Wealth, Abundance

                      There! I knew those ancient-Egyptian lessons were good for something


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