I've played Civ 3, but I'm back to Civ 2 - Why?

[Exile]

Originally posted by player1


And in civ2, thanks to AI, SP doesn't work.

Exept for begginers.

Scenario making can correct this problem. If the AI is too weak or too timid, unit types can be enhanced and made more powerful, and available only to the AI. Units can be placed arbitrarily in a scenario, as many and wherever they need to be, and by events, if necessary, on scheduled turns. The tech tree can be altered to give the AI advantages. Wonders can be placed to give the AI advantages. Events can be scheduled to give the AI advantages. Diplomatic efforts can be frozen by events so that the AI(s) never make peace with the sp human. Random events can cause any or all AIs to go to war with the sp human. An event can give gold and/or units to AI(s) on scheduled turns.

It is easily possible (laughably so), to create a scenario where the AI overwhelms everything it encounters. The trick is to find the right balance between an overwhelmingly powerful AI and one that can be beaten.

[Paradox]

"The trick is to find the right balance between an overwhelmingly powerful AI and one that can be beaten.".....very true indeed....

and one that keeps you always believing that your'e in with a chance without feeling completely overwhelmed!

[Wazell]

Not that Civ2 AI is so bad. When you're the most powerful civ in modern ages, they can gang up together against you and even cause defeat. It's quite a thrill fighting against 6 enemies that all were your allies only few turns earlier...

But the thing that keeps Civ2 alive are obviously the scenarios. There's so much variety of them downloadable, and so good tools for making your own that it hardly gets repetitive to anyone. Just look some of the top scenarios and see how much innovations there are. Nothing to be seen with Civ3.

[Leonidas]

I'v also returned to Civ2. I've put together new default unit graphics, added new terrain and city styles, and it looks like a "new" game.

I'm having a blast. There is still nothing on the market that can touch this game. It says alot about what went into its design.

[rah]

The easiest way to fix the AI in civ II, is not to use it.

MP ROCKS

RAH

[Paradox]

True but the flip side is...
Humans by nature are often predictable in their strategies and besides computers dont waste time in making decisions or take breaks for coffee or get carried away after a couple of tots

Once again depends what rocks your caravels....

[Elok]

Civ3 is non-customizable and, while it claims to lower micromanagement, the people get mad so quickly, switch allegiances every time you blink, and corruption is so horribly rampant that you wind up bogged down in keeping everyone nice and shut up for a while so you can get down to business. Strategic resources and luxuries are neat in a way but they tend to detract from the game's natural feel of grandeur somehow. And fundamentalism and communism are my favorite forms of government, but they've killed one and seriously weakened the other. Overall I think Civ3 is too constricted on the city level and militarily bastardized, but they try to make up for it with superior diplomacy and trade. If I wanted to spend all my time eliminating corruption and keeping peons happy I would've bought SimCity instead. Blecch.
This concludes my diatribe, for now.

[rah]

Originally posted by Paradox
Humans by nature are often predictable in their strategies and besides computers dont waste time in making decisions or take breaks for coffee or get carried away after a couple of tots

Only the crappy players are predictable. The good players aren't usually. They may use similar strats, but if you get too predictable, you get beat more often.
THE AI IS ALWAYS predictable.

[Caesar the Glutton]

I was very disappointed with Civ 3, so I came back to Civ2 as well....I haven't been to this site in a long time, but it's good to see I'm not the only Civ2 lover!

[Scouse Gits]

Welcome back to the fold...

SG[1]

[Brian Bergs]

Well I am another fellow who has given CivIII many tries. My brother-in-law bought it for me and also bought me CivIII play the world. Plain and simple it is not near as much fun as Civ2.

[player1]

Hmm...

I do play Civ2 with one my old friend on his old comp.
(he obviously can't play Civ3 on 133Mhz Pentium I)

The more I play it, the more I see how good improvments in Civ3 are.

P.S.
But still, there is no good scenario and events editor in Civ3

P.P.S.
Not that Civ2 events editor is good.
It's pretty primitive and crude (CTP2, on the other hand, rules in events department).

But, at least it's an option that can be useful for scenario makers.

[MrSmiley]

My favorite passtime (still) is to fire up Civ2 MGE coupled with that fun 'patch' that allows for huge maps and which takes away the limits on pop and money.

I'm no Civ 'god' tho.. I just like to play forever.. 7 civs on a huge map.. yummie

Civ3 is nice but for me it lacked the simplicity and fast gameplay.. and finally the lack of good scens (Civ2 has literally tons of good ones).

Yes.. Civ2 will reside on my comps for years to come