The 'No Trade, No Problem' Succession Game

[La Fayette]

Re: Runnnn Awwwaaaaayyyy!

Originally posted by Straybow

La Fayette, those Crucs may look fierce, but the Musketeers standing up on the wall shall merely fart in their general direction. They shall mock the parentage of our mighty catapults. All shall perish in a hail of lead, with their measley 1 hp.

I have no more confidence than anyone in the strength of crusaders in defence .
I was only refering to your choice of picture (crusaders in my game look much more quiet than yours )

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Nice turns Straybow ... Hydey is up!

[-Jrabbit]

Well done, Strayhorn!

Now, finish it off, Hydemaster!!

[Scouse Gits]

Stray - well done
Jrabbit - love the new avatar
Hydey - where are you?

SG[1]

[-Jrabbit]

Originally posted by Scouse Gits
Jrabbit - love the new avatar

SG[1]

New year, new look. Maybe a bit more in keeping with my Civ style.

Got lots of bunnies all caged up here, waiting to be let loose...

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

I took a look at the save... and had an idea. Don't know if this would work, but since we have so many units floating around the remaining Aztec cities, why not try to cover all terrain and starve them down to manageable sizes?

I gather it's that, or wait for Metallurgy. Or accept the need for a 10:1 unit superiority on attack

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Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man

Special Rules: No Caravans, Freight, or Spies allowed. Diplomats are allowed exclusively for the purpose of establishing embassies. Tech trading and other forms of diplomacy are permitted. Victory condition can be either conquest, or AC.

Play List:

1. STYOM
2. DaveV
3. SG(2)
4. Jrabbit
5. SG[1]
6. Straybow
7. Hydey
8. La Fayette

[Bloody Monk]

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man
I took a look at the save... and had an idea. Don't know if this would work, but since we have so many units floating around the remaining Aztec cities, why not try to cover all terrain and starve them down to manageable sizes?

I gather it's that, or wait for Metallurgy. Or accept the need for a 10:1 unit superiority on attack

[/q]

The Monk has been biting his tongue for pages, waiting (and suggesting) that someone try"rethinking" or "thinking outside the box". That is the key to victory. Cover all the shield squares and the city garrison disappears for lack of support. If you want I'll post a .sav with the image.

Now, will someone please end this thing while the Monk prays for all those disbanded crooks.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

LOL!!!!!!

Originally posted by Bloody Monk




The Monk has been biting his tongue for pages, waiting (and suggesting) that someone try"rethinking" or "thinking outside the box". That is the key to victory. Cover all the shield squares and the city garrison disappears for lack of support. If you want I'll post a .sav with the image.

Now, will someone please end this thing while the Monk prays for all those disbanded crooks.

-------------------------------- STYOM

------------------- everyone else


Who would'a thunk it, me figgering it out!

[Scouse Gits]

A sound plot, but not one guaranteed success - the Aztecs can move to Monarchy and sustain three free defenders - quite enough if they are vet Musks - they have undeniable access to fishing grounds - actual starvation would be as slow as the build up of forces.

Now, I accept that the AI might well choose to remain in Republic and disband defensive units in order to build more settlers - it's usual response to food shortage - but would we get the same satisfaction from such a victory?

Let the lads have their glory! Ten vet Cats backed by thirty vet Crooks should be sufficient and we cannot be far from these figures now.

SG[1]

[Scouse Gits]

Oh and read Sun Tzu - there is always a need for 10 to 1 superiority on any attack - we just can't always have all that we need

SG[1]

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Well, if the turns get around to me again (unlikely, but possible if we try the head-on approach ), I'll give Monk's strategy a try. But to each his own... the beauty of succession games once again!

And if we can't find satisfaction when the AI does dumb things... I would then have to say we should stop playing CivII SP altogether!

Anyway, a siege of that sort seems quite realistic to me... starving out a garrison is a historically proven tactic AFAIK.

Hydey, where are you?

[Hydey]

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man

Hydey, where are you?

Here I am , sorry been busy will grab the save and have a go tonight

[Bloody Monk]

Originally posted by Scouse Gits
A sound plot, but not one guaranteed success - the Aztecs can move to Monarchy and sustain three free defenders - quite enough if they are vet Musks - they have undeniable access to fishing grounds - actual starvation would be as slow as the build up of forces.

Now, I accept that the AI might well choose to remain in Republic and disband defensive units in order to build more settlers - it's usual response to food shortage - but would we get the same satisfaction from such a victory?

Let the lads have their glory! Ten vet Cats backed by thirty vet Crooks should be sufficient and we cannot be far from these figures now.

SG[1]

You are correct to point out what the AI MIGHT do. Please don't take this the wrong way, but...They MIGHT have cleared the forest around their Capital in the previous 5700 years as well.

It was my experience, both in the 1730 'accidental' win and the 1630 win, in a replay doing everything the same except for the 1500 dateline discovery, that the AI stayed Republic. The idea is to cover his shield squares, not the food. Don't want to hurt the "soon to be my" city any more than necessary. The Monk must sometimes be bloody, but, is always humane.

It may be somewhat of a stretch, but the UN arms embargo against Iraq is a version of a shield siege. It also shows how important it is to cover all the shield tiles, er, loopholes.

In the 1730 game the shield siege had been in effect for a century while I waited for the supposed 1750 date. First one city fell, then a second, and finally, the Capital--that for many, many turns under seige--and the Aztecs stayed Republic. But, as they say, your mileage may vary.

As for "Let the lads have their glory!", that's part of what I was getting at earlier in my suggestion to "think outside the box." Like the British generals in WW1 who relished the "glory" of sending foot against machine guns, I suppose one MIGHT get a kick out of doing it the old fashioned way. The Monk offers this: there is no glory in senseless death.

Well, that's my two cents. But that's the beauty of Succession Games (and peanut galleries)...Fire when ready, sir!!

[Straybow]

Re: Musketeers farting in our general direction

Originally posted by La Fayette
I have no more confidence than anyone in the strength of crusaders in defence .
I was only refering to your choice of picture (crusaders in my game look much more quiet than yours )

I was referring to the offensive capabilities of our brave (or perhaps foolhardy) Crucs and Cats. After I ended my "official" turns I played 1730, sending all units within range to assault Tlatelolco. 8 cats and 11 crucs still left 3 Musketeers alive. Two were but slivers, the other was still in the yellow.

Icons: See the comfy old slippers thread below. Th0mas posted his whole units.gif; just right-click and save to the appropriate directory.

[Straybow]

Seige tactics

Ahem: you may notice that I did pillage most of their irrigation and cover most of the land tiles aroung Tlatelolco and some around other cities.