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[Shaka Naldur]

now the Stavka loses a lot of power, if the Marshall can select the Stavka and the front comanders and they can't do anything about the Marshall,

too much power for the marshall in my opinion

[Iron Chancellor]

I don't see it as such, it merely moves power from the appointed officers (who could easily simply become hacks) to the elected officials. I'd rather rely upon representatives than upon appointees.

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Bossy20000
Well, I must say that the Politburo seems to be a very good idea to get people involved.

To answer to the questions:
1. I don't think the Marshal should be part of the politburo, for he wil be represented by the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary General of the Communist Party

2. Yes, it sounds good to have elections every game year, but this will mean that there will be a delay each time we reach this point.

I really dont think it will slow the game down that much. Elections dont affect the Front Commanders and the Marshall therefore they can be run concurrently as the turns progress

Originally posted by Bossy20000 That being said, I think that the person taking the role of Secretary General will be of tremendous importance for the succeeding of the Politburo. It will have to be a person that is here a LOT and is very involved. Therefor, former Marshal Knapovich, I urge you to post your candidature, for you have still many loyal party members This way, we will change the Rodina from the inside

I appreciate your support comrade, but my chosen course is to work with the established power structure, reform the government to allow more participation and of course ensure we have the tools and troops we need to KILL MORE FACISTS! I will be happy to serve werever Comrade Sorokin feels that I am most suited, currently killing Facists hand to Hand with the Siberians is quite pleasureable!

Originally posted by Bossy20000 Wouldn't it be for the stupid exams, I would also like to be on the Politburo, but I have no time at the moment. Oh well, maybe I get appointed by somebody as an assistant

I encourage you to run anyway comrade jusy let everyone know you prefer to be an assistant at the current time. The beauty of the new system is that it will have depth. Meaning that; if someone is real busy in real life then we have enough left to continue in the decision making process. In the future when you have more time someone else may need a break and the General Seretary can appoint you as a full member and let the other person become an assistant. Thats why I left the organization somewhat flexible.

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Shaka Naldur
now the Stavka loses a lot of power, if the Marshall can select the Stavka and the front comanders and they can't do anything about the Marshall,

too much power for the marshall in my opinion

No not really the Marshall is selected by and serves at the pleasure of the Politburo.

If STAVKA is not happy with the performance of the Marshall then they can take up the possibility of removal with the Politburo. Although my guess is if the Marshall were already screwing up the Poliburo would already be considering removal.

This frees the STAVKA to focas on the war and killing facists which is the important thing here.

Remember Stavka was set up very quickly at the beginning of the war to fill a power vacuum because we had to resist the Germans immediately. Now that more citizens want to participate in the Process the Politburo will allow us to do that.

And I want to assure you comrade that this plan did not just spring out of my head. I discussed this plan at LENGHT with the HIGHEST members of the current power structure before I published it.

Again my goal is to reform from within, while providing an organization that will allow more citizens to actively participate.

[conmcb25]

Re: Re: Heres what I know about the New Government

Originally posted by PinkyGen


Clauswitz, and why are you quoating Germans?

Carefull comrade Marx was a German as well and gave us the wonderfull system we now live under.

[Bossy20000]

In normal life, STAVKA didn't have so much power over the Communist Society. Stalin was a dictator, who didn't always listen to STAVKA, nor to his other advisors. STAVKA is there to run the war, not to run the country. Marshals are easily replacable (which we have seen here), therefore the power must be in the hands of the Communist Party and the Politburo.

Nevertheless, we should maybe consider to build some kind of Coup d'état in our system, so that the military can take the power over the Rodina, IF the Politburo messes up too much (For example a unanimous vote of STAVKA plus at least one member of the Politburo) This way, we can have some more intrigue, which gives the non-playing members here something to do. (Some nice political scheming )

[Iron Chancellor]

If we allow a coup, I'd want a unanimous STAVKA plus at least 1/5 (2/7?) of the Politburo.

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Iron Chancellor
If we allow a coup, I'd want a unanimous STAVKA plus at least 1/5 (2/7?) of the Politburo.

I think Comrade Bossy means a coup to dissolve the Politburo.

If the intent is only the General Secretary then he can be removed by a simple vote of the Politburo. (He is selected by the group of 7 and is one of the group of 7.)
So they could just vote him out.

And nothing says STAVKA members and the Marshall can not ry to influenece the Politburo.

In a round about way the possibility of a coup already exists.

Obviously removing the entire Politburo would me more drastic and thus more difficult.

But remember they are elected once a year so if you dont like what the Politburo is doing then just vote them out!

[Shaka Naldur]

I don't see the purpose of the Stavka yet, what is it for??
the politburo says who is the marshall and the marshall appoints the Stavka members,
the stavka is worthless then

I think we should make this more democratic, every period of time make elections to select the marshall and the front comanders, and politburo members
just the way it is in the other democracy games

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Shaka Naldur
I don't see the purpose of the Stavka yet, what is it for??
the politburo says who is the marshall and the marshall appoints the Stavka members,
the stavka is worthless then

Well coming from someone who doesn't seem to work well with others I could understand why you feel this way comrade. The STAVKA is the Marshalls council of war. When there is competing opinions about the conduct of the war the Marshall can listen to his council for advice on how to make his decision. This also forces Front Commanders to work together and sell a major plan to the Marshall, this will become even more important as we transition to the offensive comrade. And please dont tell me that front commanders don't have to work together again.

Originally posted by Shaka Naldur
I think we should make this more democratic, every period of time make elections to select the marshall and the front comanders, and politburo members
just the way it is in the other democracy games

In general I have no problem with this, however during my talks with high ranking party officials and members of the government we decided to go with this system. It is a hybrid between total democracy and total dictatorship. The powers that be felt this would be in the spirit of being in the Soviet Union.

But I could consider wholesale elections. The only thing that may do is diminish the ability of the group to particiapte in Stalinist type coups and takeovers, but you are right it certainly would be like the other Demo games.

BTW is there anything you actually like about the plan comrade?

[Shaka Naldur]

Originally posted by conmcb25

BTW is there anything you actually like about the plan comrade?

the thing i don´t like is the power the marshall will have
I like the politburo idea

[Shaka Naldur]

Originally posted by conmcb25
Well coming from someone who doesn't seem to work well with others I could understand why you feel this way comrade.

I think I haven't said anything like that to you yet and I have always treated you with respect,
the only things you know about the real me is about 30 posts you've read in this forum so I don't appreciate any coments like that

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Shaka Naldur


I think I haven't said anything like that to you yet and I have always treated you with respect,
the only things you know about the real me is about 30 posts you've read in this forum so I don't appreciate any coments like that

Well I did say seem. That means I think but Im not quite sure. And sorry if you took offense. But thats the impression you gave me when I was the Marshall.

However with that being said I will withdraw the comment.

[Bossy20000]

STAVKA and the Marshal are there to fight the war, the Politburo runs the country. Nevertheless, we must have an option to get rid of the Politburo between the elections, for otherwise you would have to wait an entire year. It is this what I meant in my previous post.

A country without a leader, and this in a time of war is a fast way to get destroyed. Therefore, we must assure that there is a very fine balance between all of the political and military powers (just like the guarding of the Kremlin: three different services, each resorting under another department, and each having different arms and training (good training= light arma and vice versa))

This would add a whole new dimension of political struggles!

PS I'm just playing a role in my posts, I'm not playing the real me (I'm even worse )

[Bossy20000]

Oh, BTW, I think I am going to post my candidature for the Politburo as Party Ideologist. I have noticed that many people here are drifting away from the Party guidelines, and we need to get them back in line!

Comrade Michaelovitch for Party Ideologist!!!!

For a more pure and better communism!