1st Ukrainian front

[PinkyGen]

Aren't the Germans crossing the Don, isn't the title of this June "Bridge Over the River Don."

Halt the German advance, and especially kill that damm pontoon bridge. It seems presumptious and somewhat hubritical (not a word, but we speak Russian anyway) to talk of an offensive this early. If the bridge dies, and the Germans seem weak, then we can go ahead.

However, it seems a good offensive plan, which will eventually have to be implemented if we are to win this war and take the fight out of Soviet territory. I am glad you two are coordinating something to do when we presumbly would beat off this offensive, which I believe will happen.

[Shaka Naldur]

defense of Kursk!!!
yes, i´ve decided to hold kursk, I don´t know how easy it is going ot be but we need to have those fortifications positions there so I will try to defend that city, there are still a lot of months left but with 3 or 4 KV-1 the sturmovik killing a few nazis and a whole regiment of NKVD troops there should be ok,

but to accomplish this I need the help of our beloved comrade Colwyn, now that Minsk it is a soviet city we should expect more help from our friend

keep up the good work citizens

[Colwyn]

Don't worry I'll be there

Originally posted by Shaka Naldur
defense of Kursk!!!

but to accomplish this I need the help of our beloved comrade Colwyn, now that Minsk it is a soviet city we should expect more help from our friend

keep up the good work citizens

I will help many of my ground units are at your front already.

I think you will find that the Sturmoviks will do the job of 10 ground divisions.

My tanks are only one move away, they will be there if needed

[Dr. Nick]

Pravda reporters are eager to see this new offensive succeed.

[Bossy20000]

We might even send a reporter to Kursk next month, this month our reporter is headed to the newly liberated city of Minsk.

[Bossy20000]

We might even send a reporter to Kursk next month, this month our reporter is headed to the newly liberated city of Minsk.

[Shaka Naldur]

august 1942
lutwaffe had a major defeat near kursk, 6 planes were killed with just one la-5

the cities at the don are safe enough
Serafimovich and Vorozneh doesn´t look like we should worry about them

and Kurk with two aa and aroud a dozen tanks will hold,
this winter i´ll meet you at kiev

[H Tower]

Updated Ukranian counterattack with Variant

I took the basic plan posted above by FiGu as the currently agreed upon plan (I think) and overlayed a variant of the plan that includes the eventual capture of Kiev The red and black are FiGu's plan, the blue plan is mine. The 2nd Ukranian Front doesn't change it's plan, it is the 1st Ukranian that gets altered.

Instead of using the tanks sitting in Kursk to seize Belgorod, Kharkov and Poltava, we send most of them west through Gomel towards Kiev, on leaving behind enough tanks to secure Belgorod. The army that takes Kharkov and Poltava will come from Voronezh and Serafmovich.

I think that although my plan is somewhat riskier, it will get us into Kiev sooner than if we have to go through Kharkov and poltava first.

The problem with the both plans is the destroyed roads in the Ukraine, it's going to slow us down, I've marked the the map with yellow dots where we would have to build new roads to speed up the plan. Now the dot between Gomel and Kursk we can ignore, it won't leave our troops in German sights if we slow down there. The trick is near Kiev where the roads are terrible.

Possible timeline for the advances:
September
Belgorod attack (move units from Serafmovich and Voronezh forward for attack on Kharkov)
October
Attack Kharkov
Begin attack on Kherson and Zaporozhye
November
Winter arrives!
Finish off Kharkov
Advance on Stalino and Voroshilovgrad
Continue against Kherson and Zaporozhye
Begin advance on Kiev from Gomel

I don't dare go farther than that in setting a possible timeline, something may wrong, distances are too great or we run into a unexpected pocket of severe German resistance.

I'm looking forward to seeing my commanders laugh at my plan and telling me I'm crazy

[Colwyn]

Not fast enough comrade if you want to beat me

Originally posted by Shaka Naldur

this winter i´ll meet you at kiev

I plan to be there this summer to enjoy the fruits of the city.

[H Tower]

Re: Not fast enough comrade if you want to beat me

Originally posted by Colwyn


I plan to be there this summer to enjoy the fruits of the city.

Well, a little competition of who can get there first shouldn't hurt too much and might prove interesting, but I don't want either you or comrade Naldeyev ignoring the rest of your fronts to race for Kiev.

[Colwyn]

Originally posted by Shaka Naldur
august 1942
lutwaffe had a major defeat near kursk, 6 planes were killed with just one la-5

thats really good, if you knock out the Lutwafee the game is a lot easier.

[FiGu]

Comrade Oleg, there is one Strongpoint in southern of Voroshilovgrad, it might be a problem..

[FiGu]

Re: Not fast enough comrade if you want to beat me

Originally posted by Colwyn


I plan to be there this summer to enjoy the fruits of the city.

I think you should let shaka take the city, it would be good if we would have own "territorys" of those cities that we are going to capture in the Reich.

[Shaka Naldur]

Re: Re: Not fast enough comrade if you want to beat me

Originally posted by H Tower


Well, a little competition of who can get there first shouldn't hurt too much and might prove interesting, but I don't want either you or comrade Naldeyev ignoring the rest of your fronts to race for Kiev.

don't worry marshall

i like your plan, and don´t worry about the roads ,we have a few labor brigade there so it shouldn't be a problem

[H Tower]

The next question is, what is needed in addition to your own forces to pull this off?