1st Ukrainian front

[Xenozod]

Ambitious plans are what win wars...
Foolishness is what loses them...

[Henrik]

Originally posted by Xenozod
Ambitious plans are what win wars...

Aha, so explain then how come Barbarossa failed historically?


I am not saying we shouldn't ever conduct offensives, or that it must be wrong to attack any cities.

But my experience is that the area marked on that map has several hundreds of german units in it, we have nothing near that force even in our super equiped southern fronts.
Carefullness is of the essance especially with the german pontoon bridge and all.

[Henrik]

Also if you are implying that the leadership of the baltic forces is folish I suggest you take that up with the Marshal. I do what I feel is best with very limited resources...

[Bossy20000]

Originally posted by Henrik
Also if you are implying that the leadership of the baltic forces is folish I suggest you take that up with the Marshal. I do what I feel is best with very limited resources...

And you do a very good job, you even retook Talinn (for a short time)! You are correct, hubris is spreading through the ranks of our officers as the war seems to turn in our favour! (Why can't we write in Greek here? Hubris is supposed to be in Greek!)
I have already warned many front commanders before to not overextend themselves, but I think they are influenced by the achievements of our comrades Pavlov and Anzyakov, and want to do the same, even if their situation is not comparable!

[Xenozod]

No, no, no. I was saying that if we don't make ambitious plans here and there, we'll get nowhere fast. And I wasn't implying there is anything wrong with your excellent leadership, I was just stating the opposite of the first line...Barbarossa is an example.

[EZRhino]

I agree with Henrik. It is foolish to waste ourselves on an attack before the time is right.

[greeny]

Guys, I think our Southern front commanders are planning Operation Flanking Damage with a stating date of sometime this winter not right now...

Launching large offensives on the southern front this summer; where the Germans are going to lauch their greatest attacks would be suicide.

But once winter comes the Germans will be helpless and frozen by the cold and ripe for smashing.

Could Shaka and FiGu agree on a approximate launch date for this offensive?

[Colwyn]

Plan looks good

Sturmoviks comrades, build them in your cities now 1 plane can knock out 5-6 big stacks per turn, have 4 of them clean a path to the enemy city and then role in the ground units.

Summer is the best time to attack comrades but sturmoviks are needed to clear german units in range who may counter attack during their turn.

[FiGu]

In my experience in playing RF, i remember only that germany garrisoned thoose southern cities with only some units. So we won't really get overwhelmed.

But once we got the these cities are the roads open to Kiev and Odessa!
And then of course to Hungary and Romania.

[Bossy20000]

You are right Colwyn that sturmoviks are very effectif and can only be used during the summer, but taking cities we can't hold and losing them, together with some units is risky at the southern front! If we lose to many units while doing this, the Germans could have a breakthrough. We should kill as many units as possible this summer, but wait to take the cities, and only take them next winter, when we can effectively defend them!

[Shaka Naldur]

yes, we are planing on doing it this summer, if we are succesfull with the attack we will have a front with three cities, while right now we are having a front with six cities,
let's try it this winter, with some siberians and the red guards we can do wonderfull things in winter

[Bossy20000]

I don't see how you can get a front with only three cities I see as a front-possibility the line Kherson-Dnepopetrovsk-Poltava-Kharkov-Belgorod-Kursk, but this is six cities, while most of them have no specific defence bonuses nor rivers to protect them. Plus, other cities can still be attacked with fighters and bombers (Perekop, Sevastopel,...) Could you tell what you meant with the three-city front?

[FiGu]

Hmm, but there will be of course some problems if we attack in winter... i won't be able to use the new Sturmoviks that im going to build this turn. That means no air support

[greeny]

Considering the sheer number of German tanks attacking this area I think attacking this summer with the number of units we have got sound very risky. And unthinkable while there is still a bridge over the river Don (we do NOT want a breakthough to the Caucuses!)
The Sturmoviks will be able to kill a hell of a lot of units this summer making the defence of your cities easier. But I just dont see this operation working AND being able to hold the cities you capture this summer.

Winter is a different matter of course.

[EZRhino]

greeny is right, we need to fix our priorities. Pontoon bridge first, then whatever other offensive ventures we care to partake in.