On possible Governments

[Stefan Härtel]

IIRC, the game will stop generating immigrants after a while (could be my memory is playing a trick on me here, but I think they will become less after a while at least). If I'm honest, I'm not really excited about having one person responsible for this only, so I'd go with the option of merging the Minister of Immigration with sb else.

H Tower, panag: While I think it is good to openly speak out where you have troubles (with each other or anything else), let's not make this become a flame war, please.

[Ming]

Believe me when I say it won't become a flame war...

PM's have been sent to both parties... And I'm sure both would like to continue posting at Apolyton.

So get back to what really counts... THE GAME.

Enough said...

[conmcb25]

Thanks Ming!

Now back on topic.

I prefer H Towers proposal because like PinkyGen said it is similar to RF which worked well and its simpler than the other proposal.

I say we adopt his plan and run with it. As things or issues come up we can readjust if the majority feel we should do that.

On the Mossad, if you really want one they could do a turn check for maximizing all the cities production/ Food/ etc.

That worked well in RF when the NKVD did it.

Just an idea, but its really only needed if the Front Commnaders/ Ministers dont pay atttention to City Management.

[yaroslav]

We're not so many players to create many goverment positions. Let's have the elections for Prime Minister, and let's the prime minister choose the military positions...

[H Tower]

After looking more at the scenario, I propose we eliminate the Minister of Immigration and make the Northern Front commander in charge of bringing immigrants in from cyprus and the southern front commander (or whatever we end up calling the two fronts) in charge of bringing them up from saudi arabia.

Also, I believe that the PM should be able to create, define and remove fronts completely at his own will without having to consult others. The fronts I detailed are merely suggestions that the PM can either accept or reject.

The Knesset really needs to be figured out, do we elect the PM by direct vote or elect a Knesset first? How do we elect the Knesset, by direct vote? If we have the knesset voting for PM, we need to set the number of positions that will comprise the Knesset. (I suggest 5 as a nice number since that way we have a small enough number for our game population but there will still be enough for 4 ministers in addition to the PM)

[yaroslav]

FIrst of all, sorry. I've been very busy this week (first job interviews, you know) and I didn't see your message, H Tower.

Ok, that is my sugestion if you want a Partial: 5 knesset members, who must select the deputies. The numer of votes that a Party got is divided between the total number of votes, then is multiply five times and later on, is rounded down: that is the number of seats a party get. If there is any reaming seat (there will be one, because the votes are rounded down) the party with the most votes got the seat. PM is elected by simply majority by the Knesset. The parties would select their own ways to elect their candidates to the Knesset.

Is this ok for you? If so, please tell me so I can start tomorrow the elections! Damm it, I wanna play

[H Tower]

Originally posted by yaroslav
FIrst of all, sorry. I've been very busy this week (first job interviews, you know) and I didn't see your message, H Tower.

Ok, that is my sugestion if you want a Partial: 5 knesset members, who must select the deputies. The numer of votes that a Party got is divided between the total number of votes, then is multiply five times and later on, is rounded down: that is the number of seats a party get. If there is any reaming seat (there will be one, because the votes are rounded down) the party with the most votes got the seat. PM is elected by simply majority by the Knesset. The parties would select their own ways to elect their candidates to the Knesset.

Is this ok for you? If so, please tell me so I can start tomorrow the elections! Damm it, I wanna play

It sounds good initially, but what if several smaller parties want to come together to form a coalition against the larger parties?

[Panag]

Originally posted by H Tower


It sounds good initially, but what if several smaller parties want to come together to form a coalition against the larger parties?

hi ,

well , since it happend in the real world also , .......

there has to be some form of regulation of this bien sure , ......

have a nice day

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by panag


hi ,

well , since it happend in the real world also , .......

there has to be some form of regulation of this bien sure , ......

have a nice day

Ditto!

[EmuGod]

The empty seat should be filled by the President,who the knesset would elect from the players.

[EmuGod]

Instead of electing the prime minister directly, the parties should give a list with their candidates for knesset positions in order of who would get a knesset position if that party wins the appropriate number of seats. For example, the One Israel party would get PinkyGen as prime minister if their party won a "majority" because he is first on their list. He would also be the first member of their party to enter the knesset if they did not get the most seats but still got something.

The party that wins the most seats must negotiate with the other parties to form a coalition which might mean that they have to give up certain knesset positions to a minor party's candidates and may have to change some of their policies in order to keep a coalition together. If the largest (as in most voted for) party cannot form a government or if the government falls apart, there can be new elections. Also, the largest party may expel another party from the coalition if they can bring in other parties to replace the lost seats.

For example. Party A wins 40% of the seats, Party B 15%, Party C 10%, Party D 5% and Party E 5% (I know it does not add up to 100%. assume the remaining votes were divided up among 30 other parties). Party A sends its top 2 members from its list to the knesset (since there are 5 members altogether), which form a coalition with Party B and Party D. But Party B and Party A end up in a large fight regarding the budget aso Party A decides to expel Party B from the coalition. Party A must now make up a new government, which it can do by inviting Party C and Party E to join the government and forcing Party B back into the opposition. It must now re-negotiate with those parties to keep the government together. If it cannot, the government collapses and there are new elections.

(BTW, it took H Tower 40 minutes to hear this and he still didn't understand. I hope I worded it better here).

That's my proposal for the knesset. BTW, one cannot be a member of knesset and the IDF at the same time just like in the real Israel.

[PinkyGen]

Sounds good Emu, I just have a few questions.

1. How many seats or percentage does a coalition need? Is it 50% or higher? Considering our current knesset consists of 5 seats, I assume a coalition would need 3 of the 5 seats?

2. What does the opposition do? They are in the knesset, so they cannot be in the IDF. For convenience sake, do they get minister posts as well, since the their are more than three minister positions availible? If so, I assume they must agree to faithfully carry out the governing coalition's program. This obviously has the problem of dual allegiance.

If not, then I assume the coalition would then be choosing Minister's who are not in the knesset, and those in the opposition in the knesset might be bored.

As for HTower's concern about small parties: So far, we only have three parties, and our actual number of citizens in the Civgroup so far is 12. If we get a bunch of new citizens, and they want new parties, I assume the Knesset could be expanded.

Also, keep in mind we don't want small parties consisting of 1 or maybe 2 people, and thus keeping the knesset smaller could discourage that. We don't want to end up like the real Israel government. But I think primarily we need more people if we can expect to actually support more parties.

[Panag]

hi ,

, 7 seats might be better in total , ......

in the real Israel people tend to switch ones in a while , ......

have a nice day

[EmuGod]

The opposition could suggest alternate plans to the government proposals and would basically attack government policy. I guess 3 out of 5 or 4 out of 7 would for the knesst size. But remember, the more power the coalition has, the better. Imagine having only 50% of the power and then on member of the government decides to leave, which pushes the government below 50%. That could lead to totally new elections unless the government can do something about it. Also, remember that voting for a cetain party means voting for a certain candidate so if a person wants PinkyGen for prime minister but likes the Harmony Party's platform better, that person better think about who to vote for carefully. Here are the positions I've thought up of so far for the government:

1. Prime Minister
2. President
3. Defence Minister
4. Immigration Minister
5. Economic Minister

Do we need anything else? Now, if we have 4 fronts to represent each enemy we are fighitng (one for Egypt, one for Lebanon etc.) than that gives a total of 9 players. A Chief of Staff could manage the armed forces, which would give 10 positions and the remaining players could find something like one of the newspapers (Yediot Aharonot, Maariv etc.) or Mossad or some other position to take charge of.

[PinkyGen]

As Htower said earlier, I don't think an immigrant minister is needed. Transporting immigrants should be the responsibility of front commanders, and I assume of an econ or Infrastructure Minister would be in charge of choosing where to disband them.

I would replace the Immigrant Minister with a Minister in charge of Infrastructure, Armament, and Public Works. The Minister would be in charge of choosing what to build in cities that are not assigned to a front commander.

I am also curious as to what role the President plays?

As for Defense Minister, do we need a Prime Minister, a Defense Minister, and a Chief of Staff? It seems to me the Defense Minister position is extraneous, and should be elminated or merged with the Prime Ministers.

Also, I assume parties can re-organize their party lists through editing. I have not yet decided if I wish to run for PM yet, or the party rules for selecting our candidate.