Constitution Committee: Discussion thread

[MrWhereItsAt]

Our first issue is of the number of consecutive terms of office that can be held by one person.

The current rule is that no-one may be in the Politburo for more than four terms - after this they must have a break of one term before any re-election. This does not apply to the appointed VP position.

The proposal is that we restrict this to two consecutive re-elections to the same position as a maximum, and three consecutive re-elections to somewhere in the Council as a maximum. Where a person is VP or Historian, this (these) term(s) shall not count as a term in Council for the above limits.

This has been (informally) accepted by civman2000 and DarkCloud. I believe these ideas are also acceptable. If anyone else has some points to put forward, please do so.

I propose a three day discussion period, after which we shall poll on anything we have decided upon. The time of this post (according to me) is 17:35 on Saturday 18, thus I propose to poll after this time in three days. I would also ask members to post their ideas on how long the poll should last - three days also?

Let us make the working peoples of Apolytonia proud of their Committee!

VP,

MrWIA.

[Shaka Naldur]

I don´t think that we should make a strict rule for re-elections,
my vote is that one can hold a positions as many terms as he wants

not a lot of people wants to run for the positions, we are having a lack of candidates

[civman2000]

yes MWIA forgot to mention that this restriction is waived if no one else wants to run

[DarkCloud]

The restriction is waived if no one wants to run.

And it wasn't merely accepted by us, it was proposed
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I think the poll should only last 2 days.
3 days could be useful and allow all to vote, but It could cause dragging. 1 day would be too little, in the event that someone has to go away and do something.

Therfore 2 days seems adequate for polling.
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Should there Possibly be only 2 days for discussion also?

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Oh, finally, another proposition- perhaps we need an official way to kick out a president if the president is not doing his job correctly? Say, he neglects to play for 10 days straight or post polls, etc.

A formal impeachment procedure?

[CannonFodder]

Have we had any of these problems yet? I say we deal with them as we encounter them, rather than creating an inflexible approach that may hamper more than help us.

[Matticus]

Idea, we could create a commitee that will stay seperated from all elections and politics and create solutions to constutional issues. Kinda like the american supreme court, only they would propose new parts to a constution. These solutions would then be put before the citizenry for a vote.

[civman2000]

I agree with cannonfodder...his proposal is the true spirit of the AAAC!

[MrWhereItsAt]

Well Comrades, first I must hasten to correct myself - DarkCloud and civman2000 DID propose the above ideas, and not merely "accept" them, as I put it. But we must remember to sacrifice some of our individual accomplishments in the name of our great State. To not do so is capitalist, competitive and divisive.

I think this issue needs to be dealt with now, as it is one that faces us in elections, only a short week and a half away (! I must get on to that...). The Presidential impeachment issue is certainly NOT IMO a top priority at the mo', and this may be an issue that we deal with when and if it arises.

Comrade Matticus - I like your idea, that the Committee sits on these thorny issues (ouch) when they arise. And yes, Shaka, we have a lack of candidates, but with the restriction waiver we can always get past Ministers in for terms where this is a serious problem. I think we should have some restriction on the number of consecutive times a poster can be in the Council, so that if there are ppl who want a go they get a shot at it and we don't just have the same ppl in the Council the whole way through. If there are no candidates for a position, we can always get the VP to do it - that is one of his jobs after all. If there are no candidates for multiple positions, then I think we should deal with that as we come to it.

And I also think we need a restriction on the number of consecutive times a poster can hold the same position, so that the group who DO volunteer for office can see more aspects of the game than just the one responsibility.

And this is not against the tenets of the, uh oh - ( Communist = no political parties = AAAC has gone underground ). Ahem, um, this is not against the tenets of the illegal AAAC either, as it isn't a constitution, but a fairness regulation for elections - which only benefits all Comrades!

The above statement does not imply that I am a member of the AAAC, or any political party besides the ruling one for that matter.

What a silly idea that would be!

*MdS' secret police leave MrWIA alone*

[Shaka Naldur]

the main reason of limiting a political post is to decrease corruption, since corruption is going to be a bit hard to do

i like the idea of the supreme court, to cover all the problems right now is going to be very difficult, we should face them when they show up

if the president or any cabinet member disappears for a while we should make a poll to ask the people what they want to do

[civman2000]

yes the supreme court should be appointed to 2-month terms by the prez...however, if they want to be in the council they have to resign so someone new gets appointed...the supreme court should have 5 people IMO, not too many but enough to have some varying opinions.

[civman2000]

oh, and there should be an overally limit of 2 terms on the court and consecutive terms should not be allowed.

[civman2000]

it seems like everyone in the AAAC (it's, erm, an association of communist friends not a party ) supports this idea. It is now the official position of the AAAC. No constitution other than maybe stricter/more specific term limits, and the the supreme court figure out otehr stuff when it comes up.

[CannonFodder]

Apparently I have become a de facto member of this so-called AAAC. However, I assure you I am a member of no other party than the Communist Party of Apolytonia!
I simply feel a strict constitution would benefit the bourgeois rather than the workers.

[DarkCloud]

Originally posted by CannonFodder
Have we had any of these problems yet? I say we deal with them as we encounter them, rather than creating an inflexible approach that may hamper more than help us.

Didn't we already have one president who resigned?

Idea, we could create a commitee that will stay seperated from all elections and politics and create solutions to constutional issues. Kinda like the american supreme court, only they would propose new parts to a constution. These solutions would then be put before the citizenry for a vote

Isn't that what this Constitution Committe doing?
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Oh, and a note: if you wan't to ask me any questions, I have an official Faces of Apolyton Interview coming up here:

http://64.246.32.51/~admin1/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50544

[MrWhereItsAt]

OK, just to summarize, I stil intend to poll in just under two days time with several options. These will be

Poll 1:

How many consecutive times can one poster be elected to the Council?

1. 2
2. 3
3. 4 (what it is at the moment)
4. Banana option

Note: If there is no other candidate for a position, a poster may stay in the Council beyond this limit.

And Poll 2:

How many consecutive times can one poster hold the same position?

1. 1
2. 2
3. For as long as they are allowed in the Council (see other poll)
4. Banana option

Same note as above.

So far I haven't seen any opposition to these ideas - if you have a doubt or want to add something, let me know ASAP so we can satisfy the wants of the Peoples' Committee.


VP
MrWIA