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remember, the loser will be our cityplanner
and the vp will be chosen by the president
and the vp will be chosen by the president
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24cavebear62.50%15Shadowlord37.50%9The poll is expired.
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Why exactly?remember, the loser will be our cityplanner-->Visit CGN!
-->"Production! More Production! Production creates Wealth! Production creates more Jobs!"-Wendell Willkie -1944 -
both are nominated for both positions, so unless someone prefers city planning over being prez, the prez automatically gives up in that election.Comment
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You need more people to run for positions
-->Visit CGN!
-->"Production! More Production! Production creates Wealth! Production creates more Jobs!"-Wendell Willkie -1944Comment
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Nice idea - combination poll.
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civman - I believe both candidates have expressed their desire that, whoever loses the election - wait, that's too negative.
WHoever doesn't win the election becomes City Planner.
This poll therefore determines both positions.Comment
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I understood that...i was just confused about something else and i've figured it out...everyone vote cavebear!!!!
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Thank you Civman! The check is in the mail, I mean "I'm repaying that money I borrowed from you once..."
Civ2 Demo Game #1 City-Planner, President, Historian
Civ2 Demo Game #2 Minister of War,President, Minister of Trade, Vice President, City-Planner
Civ2 Demo Game #3 President, Minister of War, President
Civ2 Demo Game #4 Despot, City-Planner, ConsulComment
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(my bolds)Originally posted by Shadowlord
Reforms:
(1) Only former council members may run for President, ensuring that someone with at least some governmental experience will rule.
(2) Reforms to the 3/4 term limits law:
(2a) If anyone has held any office for 3 or more consecutive terms, they may not run for office for the next term, unless:
.........(2c) our Civilization is at war with another at the time of the elections, and they are running for President, Foreign Minister, or Military Commander.
A vote for Shadowlord limits the power of the people and democracy!!Comment
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civman2000 -- Excellent observation.
Shadowlord -- Perhaps an unfortunate strategic ploy. Perhaps your upcoming term as City Planner will better serve your lofty ambitions. I trust you will do a fine job under Cavebear's benevolent leadership.
Cavebear -- I look forward to documenting your upcoming reign.
My vote is cast...Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-ArmsComment
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*shakes his head*
I only hope to strengthen our government. My reforms are not intended to weaken the democracy, but to strengthen it.
They do so by:
First, Reform #1 there is intended to protect our democracy against people like Hitler - It is intended to ensure that a wave of popular support for a charismatic speaker with no strategic or tactical skills will NOT catapault that person into the Presidency without first ensuring that the candidate has proven his ability by serving in at least one other cabinet position, thus giving the People the opportunity to see how skilled he actually is.
Also, the term limits exception which Civman has highlighted is a measure intended to ensure that, in times of war, when the country needs a steady hand, needs to be led by people who knows the country's strengths and weaknesses, and those of the enemy, that the elected President, Military Advisor, and Foreign Advisor, if so approved by the People in voting, may continue their terms while the war lasts, in order to preserve continuity of command, and prevent the Enemy from overrunning us while we fumble our troops around during the transfer of power that would occur if the President, Military Advisor, and/or Foreign Advisor were forced to step down due to the term limits, contrary to the wishes of the people.
As for why I'm running for President without having been in any cabinet positions, I find these reforms to be of sufficient import that I felt I had an obligation, for the good of the People, to bring these reforms to our Civilization, and the only effective way to do this is to become President. I also felt these reforms were of sufficient import that they must be implemented as soon as possible, so that we would have, if the People approve, continuity of command during the coming war.
But, if the People wish, and so it appears from the polls, I will hold the post of City Planner for the next term, and these reforms, unless adopted by my esteemed opponent, will remain un-implemented, until I am elected and the Council approves them.
I would urge my opponent to read my planned reforms, and at the very least, to adopt my exemption of term limits for the Historian. The post of Historian carries no possible corrupting influence, and we have an excellent Historian now. I see no reason to force him out of a job, when he is doing such a good one now. If someone else wishes to be Historian, they may still run for the position, of course."For it must be noted, that men must either be caressed or else annihilated; they will revenge themselves for small injuries, but cannot do so for great ones; the injury therefore that we do to a man must be such that we need not fear his vengeance." - Niccolo MachiavelliComment
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well, i agree with you about the historian but I think war is no reason to make unfair exceptions...if you don't trust the people enough to think they won't elect a hitler how can you expect the elected prez and mil and foreign advisors to not just try to get a war started to get unlimited terms?Comment
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If they started a war which was harming the civilization just to be exempt from the term limits, there's a good chance the people would boot them out anyways - they still get to vote to decide who the pres + advisors are, so even if they're exempt from the term limits, the people can still kick them out. And we can trust the people to do so. Suggested Law 1 wasn't suggested because I don't think we can trust the people, I *do* think we can trust the people, but we cannot always trust the candidates to properly represent themselves. And, a person who wants to destroy our civilization from the inside, or who wants absolute power, would probably (we hope) not be content to have a whole term as an advisor, rather wishing to become President and get it done.
Of course, we could always hold emergency elections if the President turns out to be a dictator, and reload from the last save. But that would waste a good deal of our time.
But you have a good point. I'm removing that suggested law, and if elected now or any time in the future, I won't attempt to institute that law (the one barring people from running for president if they haven't held elected office).
P.S. It was also suggested because if someone became President without having been an advisor, they wouldn't know how the government worked (i.e. submitting reports and such), but that's not a major concern, as the previous president, or any advisors who were re-elected, could fill them in.Last edited by Shadowlord; April 28, 2002, 17:16."For it must be noted, that men must either be caressed or else annihilated; they will revenge themselves for small injuries, but cannot do so for great ones; the injury therefore that we do to a man must be such that we need not fear his vengeance." - Niccolo MachiavelliComment
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We need a experience leader for president. Vote for experience, Vote for cavebear!Play the Demo Games!!
Running for Foreign Minister in the 3rd Civ2 Single Human Play game!!
Vote for the experience, Vote for me!!Comment
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