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  • #16
    Originally posted by Sir Ralph
    Do you want to say, the dull and poor CtP2 out of the box version was TESTED and APPROVED by the fans? Yuck, now I'm really disappointed...
    It was tested, but not approved by the fans. Like I said above, if you really want to ensure the next civ game is good, get rid of those f*cking paranoid and money-minded bean counters
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    • #17
      Judging from today's news item (the interview with Ike Ellis) the REAL sequel to Civ2 (and CTP2) is on the way.

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      • #18
        The problem with this, is that if you get rid of the "f*cking bean counters", then the company doesn't make as much profit. Even if they make a better game, they don't release it at the right time, they don't ship it to the right markets, whatever. And if the developing company doesn't make as much profit, then patches could be a long time in coming.

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        • #19
          Firaxis collaborates with Activision?

          That would be the blind leading the blind wouldn't it?

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          • #20
            It's not the bean counters it's the marketers they need to remove. Or at least the management must keep the suits in their place so they don't go around thinking themselves as kings or something.

            I don't think mixing the <em>CtP</em> team and the Firaxis team will do anything constructive. It is not like they don't have ideas. Even we contributed lots of them. What they incorporate into the game is the most important design decision for them to make.

            To many diehard <em>Civ</em> fans they did a horrible job of that, but seeing how Firaxis isn't doing so badly, while Quicksilver is feeling the crunch now, just might tell you why Sid & co did what they did. There is one thing called financial reality and it'd be foolhardy for a company to ignore it.

            Face it, Sid didn't really want to do another <em>Civ</em>.
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            • #21
              That is a horrible idea. Activision is dishonest. When making CTP, they called it the official Civ3. Its worse then stealing Derek's glove and selling it. You can't work with people like that.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                It's not the bean counters it's the marketers they need to remove. Or at least the management must keep the suits in their place so they don't go around thinking themselves as kings or something.

                I don't think mixing the <em>CtP</em> team and the Firaxis team will do anything constructive. It is not like they don't have ideas. Even we contributed lots of them. What they incorporate into the game is the most important design decision for them to make.

                To many diehard <em>Civ</em> fans they did a horrible job of that, but seeing how Firaxis isn't doing so badly, while Quicksilver is feeling the crunch now, just might tell you why Sid & co did what they did. There is one thing called financial reality and it'd be foolhardy for a company to ignore it.

                Face it, Sid didn't really want to do another <em>Civ</em>.


                I was going to post something like this before, but couldn't find the right words.
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                • #23
                  ...looks like bananas win again...

                  anyway, i still haven't got civ3... so i don't know...
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Caesar the Great
                    ...looks like bananas win again...
                    anyway, i still haven't got civ3... so i don't know...
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                    • #25
                      Bah, why bother with Civ when you can play EU? Go Paradox!!!
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                      • #26
                        at least the C:CTP series had an excuse when the "just one more turn" senario didnt' work out for them

                        but Sid created civ3, it was a major flop as SP game IMO and doesn't look good for MP.....

                        what's their excuse....oh yeah...the all mightly dollar......
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                        • #27
                          I felt that Firaxis did some noteworthy updating to the <em>Civ</em> franchise. The resource model and culture are excellent ideas. Maybe may of the old timers aren't satisfied, and indeed there were many sloppy bugs in the game that are inexcusable.

                          However, do not forget that Sid games are suppose to be fun, not realistic.

                          For all you people who are so full of good ideas, why don't you join one of the current <em>Civ</em>-lookalike game projects such as <em>Freeciv</em> or <em>Manifest Destiny</em>?
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                          • #28
                            It would be better if they both sell the rights to a third company looking for a place in the markets

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Waku
                              It would be better if they both sell the rights to a third company looking for a place in the markets


                              That would be my company then.
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                              "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                              For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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