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    Colon and I were doing a little brainstorming on the economics of the server situation over at FFZ

    Here is the basic analysis:

    GS should upgrade the server if it makes sense economically. If the costs of providing more server space are lower than the added revenues, they should provide the space.

    The revenue that Poly generates for GS is based on advertising. Markos gave some recent figures about the numbers of pageviews we're experiencing, here. If we figure 100,000 page-views per day, then this equates to $200-5000 dollars per day based on Colon's estimate of $2-50 dollars per thousand page views (note this is from the GS perspective...not what Mark and Dan get...since they are not in the hosting/server providing market...yet!) If we figure that GS gets the low end figure, that still equates to $200 per day. If we figure that the server problems are causing us to miss 50% of our possible market (seems reasonable given down-time, OT locking and chat locking and most importantly that new visitors are unlikely to return to a site that's unavailable.) This means that the lost revenue is $100 per day.

    I'm not an expert on server costs, but it sounds like the servers used are basically souped up desktops, so let's figure $2000 for a new server.

    This pays for itself in 20 days!! I think it's reasonable to expect current hit rates to continue through the rest of November considering the game hasn't hit yet in Europe. Please also note (in case my servers cost numbers are too low) that the lost revenue figures may be conservative. If we tried to boost demand instead of stifling it, we ought to be able to be at triple current page views, at least while Civ is "hot".

    of course there are some other options to consider. Are both of the Gamestats servers at capacity? Could capacity be added by shifting associates off the "associate" server and onto the "main" server. What about streamlining Poly content (without reducing demand perhaps by eliminating unused features like the "thread rating" concept). Or reducing other affiliate/GS demands on the servers (only if this can be done without reducing demand.)


    The key thing is to act now!! This high useage won't last forever. In fact, GS and Poly may have missed some considerable revenues already. If we "wait until things go back to normal" than all of this analysis will be superceded. Take a look at the economics and act!
    Last edited by TCO; November 6, 2001, 18:07.

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    Have they tried asking firaxis to sponsor them? Apolyton must be very efficient adverticement for their game.
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    • #3
      from another thread it looks like the CPU is understrain. Is the server running multiple CPU's do you think?

      In any event, NEW CPUs can't be that expensive if they can't afford a new server.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Gasmaske
        from another thread it looks like the CPU is understrain. Is the server running multiple CPU's do you think?

        In any event, NEW CPUs can't be that expensive if they can't afford a new server.
        They are running high-end P3's. To move to fx P4 they would need a new motherboard. Then they would also need new RAM. And then the replaced parts constitutes most of a computer.
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        • #5
          from another thread it looks like the CPU is understrain. Is the server running multiple CPU's do you think?

          In any event, NEW CPUs can't be that expensive if they can't afford a new server.
          (+1)

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          • #6
            What would another p3 933 cost to buy or lease?

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            • #7
              You have to ask yourself (if you're GS), should I be in this business at all?

              If you decide, yes, then you should think about what projects will make money for you. If I were them, I'd be crunching some numbers (yesterday!) This is their baby. They should be thinking through this.

              They also might want to see if they can create the site for MP release. Assuming there will be some sort of subscription service for MP...(Hello! Is there anybody home there? Soemthing like that would be "cha-ching"!)

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              • #8
                To get a good server through Dell that'd be an improvement over this one, it costs way more than $2000.

                I customized one for $5,817.

                Specs:
                <li>Dual Pentium III 1.26GHz w/ full speed 512KB L2 cache (twice what the current one has)
                <li>2GB RAM
                <li>2 36GB 10000rpm SCSI Hard Drives
                <li>Gigabit ethernet
                <li>RedHat Linux 7.1
                Last edited by Asher; November 6, 2001, 19:04.
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                • #9
                  $50 cpm? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

                  thanks GP
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                  • #10
                    Mark,

                    If you could unbend yourself to look at my analysis, you'll see that I used a figure of $2 per thousand views!

                    I think this is on the low end, Colon had some additional info to show that $11-5 per thousand is more reasonable.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Asher
                      To get a good server through Dell that'd be an improvement over this one, it costs way more than $2000.

                      I customized one for $5,817.

                      Specs:
                      <li>Dual Pentium III 1.26GHz w/ full speed 512KB L2 cache (twice what the current one has)
                      <li>2GB RAM
                      <li>2 36GB 10000rpm SCSI Hard Drives
                      <li>Gigabit ethernet
                      <li>RedHat Linux 7.1
                      Thanks a lot Asher. Extremely helpful.

                      1. Would this server be more powerful than a P3 933? What would another P3 933 cost to lease or buy? (less?)

                      2. I think GS would not be interested in "top of the line" equipment given transitory nature of the demand here. Also, it seems to me another P3 933 would be advantageous in terms of compatibility and quick installation. I would think what you would do is just displace the other hosted sites to the new P3 933, so Poly could have full use of the current machine.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MarkG
                        $50 cpm? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

                        thanks GP
                        What is the cpm rate that GS receives (not you, but GS for your traffic.)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GP
                          If you could unbend yourself to look at my analysis, you'll see that I used a figure of $2 per thousand views!
                          oh, ok, sorry

                          that's still very high though
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                          • #14
                            Mark,

                            1. Thanks. Appreciate the input. A few more things to think through. MikeH in the FFZ thread said that the rented cost of a server is about $300 per month. Even at very low, CPM this should pay for itself easily. Do the numbers.

                            2. Also, please realize that the key here is what GS gets for adds, not you. (agreed?)

                            3. There are some other interesteing things to think through...like how Firaxis could sponsor Poly...especially if tied in with an MP subscription server. (For instance Hasbro subsidizes the National Scrabble Association to the tune of several hundred K.)

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                            • #15
                              OTOH Mark could just take out a second mortgage on the Greek Island he bought with the ad revenue and does Dan really need his yacht, "Clickthu"?
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