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Hello,
I am a new forum member here at Apolyton, but I've been a Civ player for a long time now, and I've gotten news from Apolyton since 1999, so i'm no "newbie" to what's going on here.
I just read the entire thread of Yin26 "swan song" about why we play and what our definition of fun is. And rather than continue that thread I feel there is a need for a new discussion about the nature of the forum itself.
START SOAPBOX
Since 1994 when I got CivI I have played this game for the joy of the challenge. I remember when I beat emperor level for the first time on CivI - what a rush. Beating deity for the firts time in CivII was great, but not the same. I suspect that beating deity in CivIII will only further confirm the law of diminishing returns. The best part of beating the game is the satisfaction of beating it mono-a-mono. No cheats, no helps, no advice. This is the way it was in CivI.
I have now played CivII for hundreds and hundreds of hours. I don't profess to be the best player out there, but I'm pretty good. And I can tell you that there is only one reason why I am in this forum and the forum at CivFanatics - I want to beat YOU.
If you play Civ, or any game for that matter, to beat a computer you will quickly lose interest in the game. (Yes, mods and scenarios are great, but once the knowledge that victory is assured is yours, the game becomes just an exercise.) I've read a lot of threads and we have dissected this game down to the last line of code. We know it inside out with all its strengths and weaknesses. And IMO, we've ruined the game. Even a few months ago, I could play a deity level game and truly wonder if I would win before 2020. I didn't play for score. I played to win, and I only played well enough to beat the machine.
Well, after a few months on the forums that's all that there is left to play for is score. I know enough of the secrets to be able to cream the AI with one hand tied behind my back. The game is much less fun now.
However, I will buy CivIII. And I will be a regular visitor to the forums. Why? Because CivIII isn't about culture, great leaders or bigger maps - it's all about being the best. It's about conquering the world of Civ fanatics by beating them at their own game. I will be surprised if I play a dozen games against the AI when CivIII comes out. I will be playing against you. And the secrets to the game that I learn will be my own.
Let those who must share their secrets, tell all and get a pat on the back from the rest of us. However, the best players, I assume, will hold on to their aces until the right time comes to share.
The age of innocence is over for most of us. CivIII opens a whole new playing field for someone to emerge as the dominant Civ player of the world.
This is the challenge that I think most of us wanted from the start.
Why are you here?
I am a new forum member here at Apolyton, but I've been a Civ player for a long time now, and I've gotten news from Apolyton since 1999, so i'm no "newbie" to what's going on here.
I just read the entire thread of Yin26 "swan song" about why we play and what our definition of fun is. And rather than continue that thread I feel there is a need for a new discussion about the nature of the forum itself.
START SOAPBOX
Since 1994 when I got CivI I have played this game for the joy of the challenge. I remember when I beat emperor level for the first time on CivI - what a rush. Beating deity for the firts time in CivII was great, but not the same. I suspect that beating deity in CivIII will only further confirm the law of diminishing returns. The best part of beating the game is the satisfaction of beating it mono-a-mono. No cheats, no helps, no advice. This is the way it was in CivI.
I have now played CivII for hundreds and hundreds of hours. I don't profess to be the best player out there, but I'm pretty good. And I can tell you that there is only one reason why I am in this forum and the forum at CivFanatics - I want to beat YOU.
If you play Civ, or any game for that matter, to beat a computer you will quickly lose interest in the game. (Yes, mods and scenarios are great, but once the knowledge that victory is assured is yours, the game becomes just an exercise.) I've read a lot of threads and we have dissected this game down to the last line of code. We know it inside out with all its strengths and weaknesses. And IMO, we've ruined the game. Even a few months ago, I could play a deity level game and truly wonder if I would win before 2020. I didn't play for score. I played to win, and I only played well enough to beat the machine.
Well, after a few months on the forums that's all that there is left to play for is score. I know enough of the secrets to be able to cream the AI with one hand tied behind my back. The game is much less fun now.
However, I will buy CivIII. And I will be a regular visitor to the forums. Why? Because CivIII isn't about culture, great leaders or bigger maps - it's all about being the best. It's about conquering the world of Civ fanatics by beating them at their own game. I will be surprised if I play a dozen games against the AI when CivIII comes out. I will be playing against you. And the secrets to the game that I learn will be my own.
Let those who must share their secrets, tell all and get a pat on the back from the rest of us. However, the best players, I assume, will hold on to their aces until the right time comes to share.
The age of innocence is over for most of us. CivIII opens a whole new playing field for someone to emerge as the dominant Civ player of the world.
This is the challenge that I think most of us wanted from the start.
Why are you here?
. I never played a complete game of that.
, bring up a refreshing concept.
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