What's this thing with these childish mods ?

[Ming]

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
What am I saying, he's a DL, DL, DL

Maybe... I sure think so. But as I said above, if we can't prove it...

[Immortal Wombat]

Try harder then
Or don't, his posts are quite amusing. (The non-hateful ones at least) Though I sure would like to know who it is.

[Robert]

no reply ?


thanks again, but now for proving my point.
you won't give any answer that matter. Just only the 'I told him but he didn't' excuse.

[Ming]

Originally posted by CyberShy
you won't give any answer that matter. Just only the 'I told him but he didn't' excuse.

Uhhh... that's not an excuse... just a fact. What don't you understand

[Robert]

I don't understand why CN's post was against your warning.

In the big discussion CN used the word '******'
that's the only negative word he used against homosexuality untill you warned him for it (muuuch later)

Then he posted his believe that Jesus doesn't accept homosexuality. That's his faith.

I don't see how that line went against your warning.
Your warning was against hatefull posts, against insulting / name calling to gay people. (for some reason you're not allowed to call gay people names, but you are allowed to call ie. christians like CN names, but that's another story)

And that's not what he did.
You banned him eventhough.

Are you going to answer right now ?
Or will I get another one liner ?

CyberShy

[Ming]

He was told to stop his assult on homosexuals. He didn't.
He uses Jesus as a straw man. No difference. Telling people they will go to hell and that they are sinners because of their lifestyle is an insult. Calling it a belief doesn't make it right or any less insulting. Complaints were received... and I acted.
You are welcome to disagree... that is your right. But I'm welcome to my opinion too. And that's how I called it.
And I would do it again in a second. And if he continues his anti gay tirade when he comes back, it will be a short stay!

[Robert]

Thanks for your answer.

He was told to stop his assult on homosexuals. He didn't

You asked him to stop his hate post.
His reaction to you was very different, and ways more polite then all his stuff before. He really tried to say nothing but his faith.

I think it's your, and this sites, right to put up rules like this.
Since again, I dislike his way of 'debating' very much.
But the warning you gave him didn't applie on the msg he made after. (eventhough I think it's valid the way you describe it overhere)

[quote]Telling people they will go to hell and that they are sinners because of their lifestyle is an insult.[/quoter]

Pherhaps, but what's over the edge then ?
people that commit millions of murdering without having any sorry will go to hell. Is that an insult worthy to be banned for as well ?
And what's the line ? Majority of this world thinks homosexuality is no good. Should we take that as a line ? Majority of the world ? I hope not.

You are welcome to disagree... that is your right. But I'm welcome to my opinion too. And that's how I called it.

that's right, I'm sorry for naming you childish.

And if he continues his anti gay tirade when he comes back, it will be a short stay!

like I said, it wasn't really an anti-gay tirade. In the biiig discussion he mentioned only ones briefly. The rest of the participants dared him to speak more about it. And so did your warning in fact.

But again, thanks for your answer.

CyberShy

[Urban Ranger]

As I demonstrated to you elsewhere, CyberShy, using some book or some person as a basis for hatred is still hatred. It doesn't matter. It also seems to me that you didn't repond to that message of mine.

I also don't understand why is there a problem with restricting "Defensor." It's quite clear that it's a DL of a DL.


Winston,

Just because somebody looks like a DL doesn't mean that person is one. Real, non-DL, accounts have been closed before, so the admins are becoming more careful.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Most of the "real" non-DL accounts are in fact commonly accessed open proxies used by the smarter DLmeisters.

When there's not a very high degree of proof, they get the benefit of the doubt.

CivNation, in all their incarnations (there's at least three "personalities"), has been given far too much slack in the past. Justification of slavery, anti-semitism, native American genocide, trolls about stoning of children, "Asian barbarians" anti-Catholic bigotry - the list of his trolling BS goes on and on.

If there's a question, the question ought to be why we didn't handle him earlier, and that was primarily (for me) because his obvious trolls were not taken seriously by people, who got their stress relief debating or flaming him, as the case may be.

Cybershy - your bit about how he "had to" reply in an on-going debate is BS. If he really wanted to, he could have talked privately with Ming and asked that his vacation be reduced. He decided, up yours, I'm just going to create a new logon, so too bad.

[Robert]

As I demonstrated to you elsewhere, CyberShy, using some book or some person as a basis for hatred is still hatred

my debate is still ruined

It also seems to me that you didn't repond to that message of mine.

Really ? In what thread ?
Heck, sometimes I should be banned so I can avoid answering all those silly questions

I also don't understand why is there a problem with restricting "Defensor." It's quite clear that it's a DL of a DL.

He's a unique person to debate with

he really wanted to, he could have talked privately with Ming and asked that his vacation be reduced

sure sure sure, I won't say that CN is nothing to blame.
ack, he's much to blame.
But sometimes I expect.... mods to be more mature then the silly users, and understand the situation he's in.

He decided, up yours

I think he didn't even think about the contact ming way, (I wouldn't do either, since I'm sure it won't be reduced anyway, but that's my low trust in the mods ) and he didn't at once, it took one week before he did.

CyberShy

[TCO]

Originally posted by Ming
What... there are some DL's here

But seriously Winston... When it comes to DL's... in almost every case, if we can prove it's a DL, action is taken. When somebody now registers, we do a "casual" look over.
If we suspect foul play, we look harder. But as you know, some DL's are impossible to prove. And frankly, unless the person gives us a reason to check them out, we generally have better things to do with our time.

Now I'm sure you can come up with "AN EXAMPLE"... as you know, so could I.
But I think you understand the reasons why a blind eye is applied in the case you are talking about. And the fact that you don't want to mention a name tells me that you do understand. For that, I say thank you

I'd be more on his side if the behavior had changed rather than worsened...

[DarkCloud]

1. How long is CivNation banned for now?
2. Here's a new argument to put to him... He lied, broke the covenant... Defensor was supposedly living in NewYork, Civnation was living in the Carolinas..

[Dr Strangelove]

Personally I support the banning of CivNation, he was giving protestants a bad reputation, and yes his arguments often degenerated into volumes of bile. Sometimes arguments between various posters on the forum will degenerate into irrational name-calling. When the persons involved in the fight obviously know each other and keep their greivances from spilling over to innocent third parties I think the mods have a right to use their discretion. This hasn't been the case with CN, so it's right to send him to the cooler.

[Provost Harrison]

Maybe he didn't use the word ****** a lot. But the context was quite extreme. We all know he is a biblethumping bigot, and his tirades achieve nothing, with the exclusion of a good battle. But it is old stuff. You see his thread and you just think 'here we go again'. Maybe we cannot teach people new morals and tolerance. But we can make it quite clear that intolerance and bigotry is not tolerated by whatever means we have at our disposal.

[Darkknight]

Ah Wow! Aren't we just one big happy family these days.
Every day almost I see a thread here giving out about mods doing this and that and mods replying with a teensy bit of anger and getting even further withdrawn from the community. This site is by civ players for civ players why must people always find something to fight over! Why can't people just talk about civ and whatever else, and why can't the mods join in as people not as gods towering over everyone else.(Don't quote! ) If somebody is constantly spamming or whatever and giving no useful imformation or whatever then fine restrict him for a while. But the good side must be weighed up with the bad side.
In this case CN was in a debate and was contributing something to the community. SO WHAT if he was using a DL !?
Again you have to weigh up the good with the bad, how much has he given to the community and how much has he *taken away* by means of cursing etc.

Of course that would only happen in a perfect world, mods are bound to hold personnel grudges against some people but if you do the least you could do is either point out the thread to an unbiest mod and ask him what he thinks and/or hold a simple poll saying CivNation Stay or Go. People who care ( the people who either know him or hate him vote) and you decide from that.

Just my two cents,

Shane