Apolyton Justice

[Legman]

Speaking of straws: Pardon me Ming, but if that's the reasoning behind restricting only AH and not Lancer, that's the tiniest straw I've ever seen an admin or mod cling to when trying to justify a ban.

If MarkG posts once again that he agrees with your description of it, I'll know which one of my assumptions from before I'll go with. And it ain't pretty for the prospect of Apolyton Justice!

[Lefty Scaevola]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Legman on 12-06-2000 05:07 PM</font>
And it ain't pretty for the prospect of Apolyton Justice!
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. You could pin your hope for impartial justice on the Florida Supreme Court.

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Gaius Mucius Scaevola Sinistra
Pontificator Pendanticus
older richer & wiser than you

[Legman]

Lefty Scaevola,
I'm sorry, I fail to see the humour in this. The course of events as Ming described them simply isn't enough to ban one poster and not the other. Something else is the real cause here, I know what it is, it's a profound disagreement on the whole charity deal. And I must admit that such actions from MarkG is nothing I can associate myself with. I feel the deep love and affection I've come to feel for this place dwindling away at an alarming speed.

[Lefty Scaevola]

. I trying to nudge you out of increasing OBSSESION with a minor issue. I feel MarkG & Ming have clearly explained the official position three times, and you just don't believe and agree with it. BUT there is NO remedy available for you, and pursing it is in vain. Back when I practiced law I had to advise clients commonly, Give It Up. No court is going to give you what you want, and the more your tye your ego to a losing fight, the more you lose. Even if an Admin were to pronounce "I don't like the way you use the subjuctive in Latin, A H, you are banned, it would be uniportant. This is a voluntary social association, buufered through a computor, enjoy what you like and ignore what you don'nt

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Gaius Mucius Scaevola Sinistra
Pontificator Pendanticus
older richer & wiser than you

[Legman]

Lefty Scaevola,
I hear you. You make several valid points and I appreciate your taking the time to write it. I just can't believe that it's the way things are run here - I've been here for nearly two years and never before have i seen such hypocrisy. Pardon my French, but that's exactly what it is!

After having thought this over for the umteenth time, I've come to the conclusion that nothing MarkG could say or do will make me change my mind now. It's all too clear to me what went through his mind when he restricted the troll clown and let the Samaritan one go free.

I have nothing further to say here. I'm going to bed now. Don't hang around for any posts by Legman in the near future. And the Location FAQ is now a project of the past. If you have a problem with it, tell it to MarkG.

[MarkG]

Ming has used his incredible mind-reading powers to explain the situation once again...


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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Legman on 12-06-2000 05:07 PM</font>
that's the tiniest straw I've ever seen an admin or mod cling to when trying to justify a ban.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>actually, it's a clear case of someone continuing to do something after being ordered not to. it has happened a gazillion times in the past

[Lefty Scaevola]

For Legman:

. "Good night, sweet prince."

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Gaius Mucius Scaevola Sinistra
Pontificator Pendanticus
older richer & wiser than you
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Lefty Scaevola (edited December 06, 2000).]</font>

[Legman]

Ming,
Thanks for the extensive explanation - or should we call it attempted explanation of the mysterious ways in which Apolyton Justice functions!

I agree with the main part of your record of the cause of events - and how they might have been perceived by MarkG at the moment. However, the key to this is the intent that MarkG had when he made the call. And I for one don't doubt for one split second that he wanted to shut AH up because of the underlying issue - AH's continued expression of annoyance and discontent with the Karen Mills charity thingy. This is outrageous!

Now MarkG hasn't taken to explaining in what way AH overstepped any line that was drawn that Lancer didn't overstep too, so I'd still say an injustice has been done here - and that it will continue to be in the back head of posters in future situations where MarkG is ticked over some of the views expressed here on highly contested issues. That's no nice prospect to say the least.

Lancer,
I agree with most of your post and I understand how you must feel. What I don't agree with is your decision to refrain from posting for a week because you feel bad about what happened. That won't help! What would help however, I think, is if you'd agree with me that the decent thing to do here is to make an appeal to MarkG of reinstating AH and bringing his post count back to what it was. Justice would be served IMO, and it would also be an immensely nice gesture from you in view of the abuse and baiting you had to take in that cursed thread. Maybe a good way to getting back on speaking terms with AH?

[Lefty Scaevola]

. While exploring PERCEPTIONS of bias here, perhaps Legman will illuminate waht residual grudge he may have because the Admins gaves his Location FAQ thread and proposal the cold shoulder. A good lawyer (jokes about this being a oxymoron have been beat to death) can find a suggestion of bias almost anywhere., even if not working for democ-rats or Resumlicans. Such perceptions should be carefully re-evaluted.

(now what about that post of Appolyton Attorney General I might be offered)

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Gaius Mucius Scaevola Sinistra
Pontificator Pendanticus
older richer & wiser than you

<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Lefty Scaevola (edited December 06, 2000).]</font>

[Legman]

I assure you Lefty, I'm on a totally different agenda here. Even though a bit more attention from the admins on that particular suggestion of mine would've been nice and heart warming, I did manage to get DanQ to post something that could very well be perceived as if he had no problems with me getting to work with the FAQ.

But still very observant of you, I must say. Now let's get back to the far more important issue of Apolyton Justice. I'd like to see some action taken, and this time some just action. Just for a change. Hey, a pun!

[Ming]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Legman on 12-06-2000 12:32 PM</font>
However, the key to this is the intent that MarkG had when he made the call. And I for one don't doubt for one split second that he wanted to shut AH up because of the underlying issue - AH's continued expression of annoyance and discontent with the Karen Mills charity thingy. This is outrageous!

Now MarkG hasn't taken to explaining in what way AH overstepped any line that was drawn that Lancer didn't overstep too, so I'd still say an injustice has been done here - and that it will continue to be in the back head of posters in future situations where MarkG is ticked over some of the views expressed here on highly contested issues. That's no nice prospect to say the least.


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To your first point... No what is outrageous is that you are GUESSING on his intent, than making a judgement based on your own Guess... Not fair, or accurate

To your second point... you are using your bad "assumption" from your first point to slander MarkG in the second paragraph.

I probably would have restricted AH for throwing gasoline on the flame by Quoting a "Private" Message.
In my mind, that's where the line was crossed. So I will assume that that was the case for MarkG as well.

Granted my assumption is no better than yours... but based on my assumption, there is no injustice here what so ever.

So... my point you ask? Don't slander a person with your "made up" alligations. Why don't you hear his side before you assume the worst and describe him in the most negative light possible.

[Lazarus & the Gimp]

I've got to say that I'm disgusted at hearing an issue being made about the Karen thread. For the sake of about 10mm of vertical screen space this is something that can have a dramatic beneficial effect on the life of someone who's had a rough ride. I can't believe anyone could get so anal about it.

If you do have an issue with the sticky thread- merry ****ing christmas to you too.

[Mercantile]

Legman,, as much as many will miss you, you don't have to post here. Do you agree with every decision you have ever had handed down your way? I doubt it, and to believe otherwise is foolish. I think your playing devils advocate here and really is it worth it. I don't see you standing up for all the others who have apparently been undone by Apolyton justice

Not trying to ruin your appeal here, but the wheels of justice have turned, and they have turned against you. Everything in life is a technicality however minor or extreme.

Perhaps MarkG agrees but doesn't want to give you the benefit of the doubt. Personally it's more enjoyable to see you all worked up

Regardless, i don't think this little issue is how we really look at how Apolyton is handled. Its a fine site and the decision could have been both , neither or one of them. MarkG chose one of them and listed his reasons for it. What i am having a hard time understanding is how you don't see his reasons MarkG's even thanked Lancer for his self imposed ban. Does this really have to be formal or do you want to hear Mark admit that he PM Lancer and told him to be out of action for a week or else!!!!! Wow, great thread though

[Narck]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Legman on 12-06-2000 05:54 PM</font>
I've been here for nearly two years and never before have i seen such hypocrisy.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>Award to Legman for Apolyton Exaggeration of the Year!


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</font>And the Location FAQ is now a project of the past.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>Deja vu

[TCO]

Lance is a great guy. AH is obnoxious. I can understand Mark's "bias". Although, I don't think he really was.

I agree with Lance that flaming and name calling on the internet is gutless.