Apolyton Justice

[MarkG]

btw, "mega" is smaller than "giga"....

[Provost Harrison]

Well I think a bit of parity is needed here on this matter, and I think they should both have been vacationed for this matter. Actually I don't think they should have been vacationed. It was quite humourous and nothing too nasty. What next, is AH going to become a <u>TeraTroll</u>

[MarkG]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Legman on 12-06-2000 07:13 AM</font>
That's what I'm complaining about - that you restricted him because you didn't like his views on the underlying issue.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>that is your opinion. are you sure it is an unbiased one? if it is not, would it be fair for me to change the decision just to be nice towards you?

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At least it would be if it wasn't so tragic.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>not being able to post in an internet forum is far from tragic...

[Legman]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by MarkG on 12-06-2000 08:15 AM</font>
that is your opinion. are you sure it is an unbiased one? if it is not, would it be fair for me to change the decision just to be nice towards you?
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I'm sorry to say I'm quite confident it's the truth. This decision of yours to ban AH and not Lancer when one wasn't any worse than the other reeks of bias, misunderstood political correctness and petty subjective judging.

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</font>not being able to post in an internet forum is far from tragic...
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Agreed. The tragic part is your lack of ability to recognize that this is an issue of fairness on your part - and not something to try to deflect by attempting to get into a debate about smilies and the difference between mega and giga.

Now are you going to act like a man or a mouse on this?

[Fiera]

First off, I also think that Lancer and AH should have been given the same treatment, which IMHO shouldn't have been a ban, but...

I really think some people are taking this too seriously. It's just an Internet Forum. We come here for fun.

And, man, I agree with PH, that thread was very much fun for me, anmd surely for all us lurkers...

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[MarkG]

a line was drawn, one passed it....

[Legman]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by MarkG on 12-06-2000 08:51 AM</font>
a line was drawn, one passed it....
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Wrong, MarkG. They both posted after you and Ming told them to take it to PMs.

Do the right thing. Nullify AH's restriction and let us keep the good impression we've had of Apolyton Justice up till now.

[Legman]

Hello, operator?



What do other people think about this carrying out of Apolyton Justice? Anyone who witnessed the insults evolve in the thread in question? Ming?

[Mercantile]

i just read part of the thread, seems that both were flaming , wish i had been around that night to witness it first hand. My money is on the troll :P

[Lefty Scaevola]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Legman on 12-06-2000 10:14 AM</font>

What do other people think about this carrying out of Apolyton Justice?
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. Just fine with me, as much as I find the Horse more engaging in a virtual conversation than Lancer. Its a private web site; the "line drawn" is where the Admins (virtual gods) judge it to be, not where we opine it (thank God that I don't have the dirty thankless duty of making and enforcing such judgments); it obviously was not based on the pre-warning activty where Lancer's flamming was clearly more egregiuos and immature, but upon a post ultimatum transgression. As for the penalty, I have some confidnece that A H's ego is adequately ROBUST to to "ho hum" it, unlike the younger hanging by a thread egos.

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<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Lefty Scaevola (edited December 06, 2000).]</font>

[Ming]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Legman on 12-06-2000 10:14 AM</font>
What do other people think about this carrying out of Apolyton Justice? Anyone who witnessed the insults evolve in the thread in question? Ming?
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MarkG is one of the owners of this site. He is the ultimate Judge and Jury

[Legman]

Lefty Scaevola,
Sure, the Horse will be able to shrug it off.

But the implications for further incidents where a poster (you?, me?) is in disagreement with an admin on a highly contested issue such as the Karen Mills charity enterprise is troubling to say the least.

That's why I'd like for MarkG to either substantiate his decision of banning AH only and leaving Lancer in peace - or, preferably, reinstate the posting rights of AH and admit that it was a biased judgement in the heat of the moment.

Anyway, I'll be away for the next hour or two (have to get home from work and such), but please keep the comments flowing. I'd hate to think we've heard the last of this, as it is quite clearly the most evident wrongdoing by an admin I've seen in my time here. And I'm no bigger fan of AH than the next guy. This is a matter of principle, and an important one at that.

[Legman]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Ming on 12-06-2000 10:59 AM</font>
MarkG is one of the owners of this site. He is the ultimate Judge and Jury

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Agreed, Ming.

But injustice should be pointed to nonetheless, and I'm not letting go until he substantiates the grounds for restricting one fool and not both of them - or rectifies the wrong he did in that thread.

C U in a couple of hours.

[Murgatroyd]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Ming on 12-06-2000 10:59 AM</font>
MarkG is one of the owners of this site. He is the ultimate Judge and Jury

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Shouldn't that be 'Judge, Jury, and Executioner'?

[Ming]

First... all "moderating" is a judgement call.
And it is to be expected that there will always be a difference of opinions between people.

Looking at the thread, I can see MarkG's point of view on this.

First, They were told to chill. Lancer did respond right after continuing the war... BUT, the post shows as one minute after mine, which means he hadn't see it.
Can't nail somebody for that. When he saw it after his post, he responded a few minutes later that he understood. no foul here!

Second, they were politely told to take it to PM.
Again, obviously from the edit to AH's post, he just saw the chill and PM request... so no foul on that post either.

The problem (I'm guessing because I can't read MarkG's mind) is the Post made by AH which Quotes Lancer from his PM. It just ignited the flame war again. I'm also assuming that Lancers response to the problem post wasn't seen as more gas on the fire, because it was not really a flame, but an explaination and think about it post. It was an attempt to end it... not continue it!

One might argue that Lancer's post right before the problem post "PM sent, no real man could stomach it." was flaming, or a notice that a PM was sent. A borderline or judgement call.

I think if Lancer had continued the war in that thread, he too would have been restricted.

So again, a matter of opinion, and not a miscarrage of justice! (Which is a tad extreme considering we are just talking about a week restriction on an internet forum)

You, or any member of Apolyton, are welcome to your opinions. But Moderating these forums is under the control of the Admins and Mods.

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Ming
CivII & Off-Topic Forum Moderator
Ming@Apolyton.net