Why is the Karen Mills thread locked at the top of the OT?

[MarkG]

it's really despicable that some people are irritated because a thread about charity is at the top of the page.

those saying that thread should stay on the top "on it's own merits" shoult try to calculate how many posts and how often it would take to have the thread stay just on the first page(not to say on the top 20 or top 10) given the ammount of posting on the OT

i mean for some people geting to see a thread being first on a internet forum is worse than not having a place to live....

[Legman]

One could say the selfrighteousness from some people on this issue is equally despicable.

[SuperSneak]

Why don't we just designate an area like the Apolyton thread for "general topic sticky threads"?
That way, the Karen thread can still exist and be visited, and the OT will remain dynamic, as is its nature.
Horse, as usual, is exploding a theme as Devil's Advocate, because he gets all tingly when the sacred is defiled. But he raises a valid point.
Lancer is being extremely kind hearted and generous here...no need to **** on his efforts.
I'm sure a good compromise can be reached...?


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[Legman]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Lancer on 10-16-2000 12:50 PM</font>
Selfrighteousness? Thanks Legman, for attacking us for this selfless effort.

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No attack on my part, just an observation in reply to MarkG's labeling the critizism raised here despicable. It's hard to have a fruitful debate when being labeled despicable for raising a valid point. I guess my indignation got the better of me.

Any thoughts on my suggestion earlier?:

There's even talk of creating a new Karen Mills thread for Christmas too. I would think that an announcement including information on where to send possible donations would do.

I think that would keep everyone happy, don't you?

[Narck]

AH

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</font>I don't see how giving your cause a nuisance value helps it.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>Oh, so you really meant it when you said you considered one sticky thread at the top a nuisance? Hmmmm!

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</font>Btw, is your enterprise a registered charity?
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>You know the answer to that just as well as we do, AH. Will you please try to keep your rude comments to yourself? That would be most appreciated.

Legman
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<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>Not everyone visits this site every day, week or even month, you know.... Lancer's example of Kull is a good one, this project would have never gotten his $100 if the thread hadn't been sticky.

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</font>I wouldn't say the threads annoy me, it just seems strange to turn a simple charity appeal into one of the longest going threads in the OT, that's all.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>Because otherwise they won't be successful (i.e. not raise enough money?)?

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</font>One could say the selfrighteousness from some people on this issue is equally despicable.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>Well, if you don't appreciate the effort of all the generous ppl here, trying to give a poor girl a better life, then I guess you can call their actions despicable as well. Is this subject really worth arguing over???

[Narck]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Legman on 10-16-2000 01:16 PM</font>
No attack on my part, just an observation in reply to MarkG's labeling the critizism raised here despicable.
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Funny, how this whole debate started AFTER the thread was "de-topped".

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</font>Any thoughts on my suggestion earlier?:

There's even talk of creating a new Karen Mills thread for Christmas too. I would think that an announcement including information on where to send possible donations would do.

I think that would keep everyone happy, don't you?
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>No Legman, it will keep YOU happy, but it won't bring the result we're hoping for, since an announcement disappears from view in a matter of days, sometimes in hours.

So that's not an option. But to be perfectly honest with you, I for one care much more about giving a poor girl a better life, than I care for you having the Off Topic Forum of this site exactly the way YOU want it. Do you honestly think you're not being a tiny bit selfish here? Think about it, which is more important? That girl in the Phillippines, or the way 1 thread in 1 forum is displayed?????
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[Narck]

And you know what, Legman, I see you failed to answer this question from Lancer. Kindly do so, I can't wait to see your answer! ( <e>) <center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Lancer on 10-16-2000 06:24 AM</font>
We're building a house for a family that has known nothing but poverty Legman, doesn't that mean something to you?
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[Legman]

Temper, temper Narck. Let's try to keep this civil, eh?

Your trying to impose your views on me by posting three times in a row could be seen as proof that I actually had a point and hit a nerve with you.

I'll answer the questions I decide to, and rhetorical ones are not among them. Sorry.

[Narck]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Legman on 10-16-2000 03:10 PM</font>
Temper, temper Narck. Let's try to keep this civil, eh?
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>Absolutely, I'm just trying to get answers here, but apparently you don't want to provide those.

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</font>Your trying to impose your views on me by posting three times in a row could be seen as proof that I actually had a point and hit a nerve with you.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>The fact that I posted 3 times had to do with the fact that I forgot to add certain parts I found important. And yes, it can be seen as proof that you hit a nerve, I don't know where you get the "proof for having a point" part from though. I find your views on this matter pretty disgusting, to say the least.

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</font>I'll answer the questions I decide to, and rhetorical ones are not among them. Sorry.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>"We're building a house for a family that has known nothing but poverty Legman, doesn't that mean something to you?" is not rhetorical at all.
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[Legman]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Narck on 10-16-2000 03:20 PM</font>
I find your views on this matter pretty disgusting, to say the least.

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What views of mine do you find disgusting? Try reading my posts again when you've settled down a bit.

The only thing in this thread that's disgusting is the way you come on to me right now...

[Narck]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Legman on 10-16-2000 03:33 PM</font>
What views of mine do you find disgusting? Try reading my posts again when you've settled down a bit.

The only thing in this thread that's disgusting is the way you come on to me right now...
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</font>One could say the selfrighteousness from some people on this issue is equally despicable.
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You say that's not an attack? I would like to see what you do consider an attack then. The thread about Karen Mills has been positive until the very end, until AH here decided to make a comment about how annoying he thought the thread was. And then you come in and back him up.
Lots of ppl helped out in there. Did you even read the whole thing?

Let me throw in another point then, for you to ponder about.

This is a private site. If the owners decide they want to help out on an issue they feel is important, then who are you to question that decision? It's their site, they have a right to make a thread sticky, if they so desire. In short, it's none of your business.

Lastly, I would like to mention that I find it more than a little weird that this whole debate started AFTER the thread in question was "de-topped". You could have chosen to say something about it while it was topped (as I'm sure you noticed it before), yet you chose not to. Why not?

[MarkG]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Legman on 10-16-2000 03:33 PM</font>
The only thing in this thread that's disgusting is the way you come on to me right now...
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>legman, is it possible to give some answers on the real issues that narck raised?

[Legman]

Oh, Narck! You didn't read my posts like I adviced you to, did you? I didn't comment on the stickyness of the thread at all. Go back a while and you'll see...

And the quote about selfrighteousness possibly being equally despicable was in direct reply to MarkG's preceeding post where he labeled the critizism despicable. I'd like it if you would include the whole story when you quote me if it's not too much to ask.

All in all, you have a pretty slim case for calling my views disgusting, so it would be good of you to take that statement back as it was totally uncalled for.

Good day Sir.

[Legman]

MarkG, didn't see your post...

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by MarkG on 10-16-2000 03:58 PM</font>
legman, is it possible to give some answers on the real issues that narck raised?


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No, not until he ceases trying to impose his views on me by screaming my head off (which is actually an appropriate picture of the tone in his three consecutive posts above). Also, since my views are evidently so disgusting - although he can't seem to really point to the disgusting part - I doubt he's genuinely interested.

[sarcasm]What a nice way to commemorate the Karen Mills cause BTW. [/sarcasm]

[MarkG]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Narck on 10-16-2000 03:51 PM</font>
Lastly, I would like to mention that I find it more than a little weird that this whole debate started AFTER the thread in question was "de-topped". You could have chosen to say something about it while it was topped (as I'm sure you noticed it before), yet you chose not to. Why not?
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>oh, it's a coincidence. you see, Legman is a sensitive man. He cant stand being inforced to get a thread on the top of the forum. It's brakes the whole sense of balance in his worls. Threads are supposed to be listed by date! How can a thread stay at the top. And Legman has limits, he is a not a superman. When he saw the thread by AH he just broke into tears! A soulmate! At last someone with the same sensitivies as him! Well, the rest is history....


anyway, i see legman posting
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but you did.
you quoted AH saying: Lancer, charity works best when it isn't inflicted on people.
AH believes that we inflicted charity on people by top-ing the thread. you said Amen to that....