Penthouse pet of the year?? (banner ad)

[adaMada]

btw, Should EvC ever feel like coming back, then I'd like to get a responce to my responce to two of his 'accusations'. Specificly a real responce to the religion and a responce to the 'feminist' accusation.

Thanks.

adaMada

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adamada@springmail.com

[TCO]

adaman, You're better off ignoring EVC. Much more fun to spin him up than to let him spin you up.

[vlad]

I love the banner ads,keep up the good work. I would love to win a date with a Penthouse pet,cmon that would rule. Children that live in a fake world are the only ones that could be offended by such things. Go outside and billboards are much more extreme.Men and women date,and yes Ada they even have sex,its what is natural.If not for sex you wouldn't even be here. So chill out,if you don't like the ads don't look at them or don't come to Apolyton simple as that.

[adaMada]

GP: You're right. I'll do that next time he comes around.

vlad: And now vlad's here making ageist, sensless comments, which compleatly miss the point that 62 posts have made. I'm glad that apolyton never changes.

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adamada@springmail.com
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by adaMada (edited July 02, 2000).]</font>

[vlad]

I make plenty of sense Ada,its you who must learn respect for peoples ideas.All you ever do is complain. Look at most posts you make and its a complaint about something. I don't care how old you are,you act like a little brat. This is not your site,if you don't like what it has in it just don't come here.There is nothing wrong with the banner ads here.There is absolutely nothing offensive about them,and you seem to not even understand what they are about, yet you judge them as bad. Ageist comments hahaha lets call it wisdom rather than age,and yes you seem to have very little wisdom.When you have gone out into the real world you will realize Apolyton is quite a good place,and the banner ads they have are more tame and non-offensive than saturday morning television. Lighten up kid or you are going to find the world outside of the internet pretty vicious and offensive.

[Urban Ranger]

Vlad,

adaMan has a legitimate complain, up to a point. This is supposedly a "family website" and most of the UGO banners explicitly designed to use the female body to lure gamers. This is unfortunate.

However,

1. The offending ad is not from UGO
2. He complains too much about what seems to be a trivial matter to most others.

[Gary]

I wish to vote for many more ads containing scantily clad members of the opposite gender.

I wish to vote against ads that flash causing me to have to resize the window and scroll in order to hide it.

Thank you.

<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>Why is it that, when you have read the post 3 times and KNOW there are NO spelling mistakes, one always seem to appear just after you hit the "submit" button </font>

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[vlad]

Urban the point isn't really the means they use,thats called advertising. The woman are clothed and most time they only show a face. Go to a mall and see what women in a jewelry store wear and you will see more.Ada's point always is that its something evil and wrong,although he never really seems to understand why he thinks that way.He seems a smart kid,but somewhere he got some indoctrination that women in ads are wrong. Now if there was a banner ad that showed naked women spread out saying dirty words then he would have something to complain about.The banner ads are LESS adult than commercials on saturday morning tv,or billboards that everyone sees outside. I just can't imagine young Ada forcing his parents to help him complain to the billboard people. He uses too much of his energy online to complain when he should be learning and having fun.I think when Ada builds his own website he can have full control of the banner ads,but when he is visiting a private website he should really just enjoy it,or not come back. Maybe he should show us his adult thinking and boycott Apolyton with all his friends since the banners are so offensive.I really think what Ada needs is a good spanking in civ MP to teach him respect

[TCO]

C'mon I asked for you guys to take on me instead of Ada. I've been reading those flame warrior cartoons and I'm all fired up. Bring it baby!!

[Urban Ranger]

vlad,

Just let me ask you this one question: why are women in various, er, alluring posts, used in the ads?

The answer is simple. They are using <strong>sex</strong> to sell. I don't care if billboards or jewelry stores are worse. They are all the same fundamentally.

Now I am not saying whether this is wrong or not. I am not going to pass a judgement on this. However, it seems to me that adaMan is saying that using sex to sell is wrong. That is his point.

Okay, now we return to our regularly scheduled programme

[vlad]

Well of course they use females in advertising. Thats what helps sell things as does good looking males. Is it sex they are selling,no I wouldn't call it sex. More like beauty and desire. Ada is making a mute point,he is trying to say that somehow this is offensive,not that its wrong for advertising. His point is always that it offends him and because he is an important individual people should listen to him and get rid of the ads.When in reality he doesn't have a clue to why he thinks the ads are offensive. He complained once about an ad that he thought said something offensive,when in reality it was just a normal wording.I have no problem with people having a view point on ads,but when a 13 year old begins to demand ads be taken off just, well its a bit silly and childish.There are certainly no bits of nudity or adult language in the banner ads so they become perfectly normal ads.Its a free world no one makes anyone surf sites on the net,so when one doesn't agree with a sites content they simply don't go there. Ada tends to get riled up pretty easy,and he doesn't seem to mean any harm,but he sometimes likes to think Apolyton is his private web site.At least he is more entertaining than most on OT
Back to my regularly scheduled program,hmmm at 4am I guess thats an infomercial for the ab machine(now thats an advertisement using beautiful women to sell a product and beautiful men too.)

[adaMada]

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
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</font>1. The offending ad is not from UGO
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - Urban Ranger

UGO is responcible for the content it shows on its network. To a degree, Apolyton is also responcable, but because the Admin.s have refused to act, I have decided to go stright to UGO.

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</font>2. He complains too much about what seems to be a trivial matter to most others.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - Urban Ranger

If it offends one person, and that one person has a ligit. reason to be offended (like the add in question is sexist or racist), then that add has offended one too many. Assuming that there is a ligit. reason...

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</font>Urban the point isn't really the means they use,thats called advertising. The woman are clothed and most time they only show a face. Go to a mall and see what women in a jewelry store wear and you will see more.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - vlad

Prehaps, but thats a different story. Those women choose to dress the way they do, and aren't trying to sell a product by sexally attracting the other gender. Pretty much, that's a different story. (NOTE: For my arguements, view a few 'quotes' down).


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</font>Ada's point always is that its something evil and wrong,although he never really seems to understand why he thinks that way.He seems a smart kid,but somewhere he got some indoctrination that women in ads are wrong.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - vlad

I do understand why I think what I do... I post my reasons (agian) a few 'quotes' below.


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</font>The banner ads are LESS adult than commercials on saturday morning tv,or billboards that everyone sees outside.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - vlad

Who does that excuse? (see next 'quote')

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</font>Ada forcing his parents to help him complain to the billboard people
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - vlad

If there were a really bad billboard, or TV advertisment that came to my attention, which was shown/seen many times, then I would consider complaining depending upon the cercimstances. In this case, I've decided that the right thing to do is to complain.

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</font>The answer is simple. They are using sex to sell. I don't care if billboards or jewelry stores are worse. They are all the same fundamentally. Now I am not saying whether this is wrong or not. I am not going to pass a judgement on this. However, it seems to me that adaMan is saying that using sex to sell is wrong. That is his point.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - Urban Ranger


UR is right -- to a degree. One of my multiple points is that using sex to sell is wrong, but that's not my only point. (Finally, the long-awated posts 'quote'). The adds also offend people, or would if brought to attention. I can't really see the majority of women not being offended by these adds. They have underlaying implications, and are (to be frank) sexest. The adds in question offend women -- and all others that believe that men and women should be equal. This is partually about equiltiy -- and tolerence. Tolerence of other people's beliefs, and tolerence of the multi- racial and gender sociaty that we live in today. It is my belife that we must all respect each other, dispite our differences. Even if you do not agree with me, I think it is a fundemental point that we have to be tolerent of each other.

Another point -- on many occasions, I have accused these adds of being sexest. I now elaborate -- these adds are sexest in the way that they portray women as inferiour to men -- and as 'sex toys'. The add.s are actually WORSE because they ALWAYS show pict.s of women. vlad: when was the last time you saw a UGO add which showed men and women equally sexually. If you can give me an add which did this (preferably only showed men -- just to balence it out -- but can also show women too, as long as neither sex is shown in a domanant position), and was on for some time (not just a one-time, one-day add), I will do one of two things -- call you a lier (I really don't believe that you'll be able to find a real one), or cede this arguement (in other words, I will drop the 'sexest' portion of my arguement). You see -- I'm just trying to do what I think is right -- if I can be convinced that I'm wrong on any of these subjects, I'll drop that subject.

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</font>His point is always that it offends him and because he is an important individual people should listen to him and get rid of the ads.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - vlad

I believe that any individual who can voice a ligit. concern about an ad. should be listened to. Pretty much, if you can convince me that you're offended by an ad (or a user-name, etc), then I'd take your side -- even if the ad didn't offend me.

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</font>When in reality he doesn't have a clue to why he thinks the ads are offensive.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - vlad

I have made my points many times over -- if you chose to ignore them, then that's not my fault. Furthermore, if I havn't been clear about something, or if you have trouble understanding one of my points (it seems that you're having trouble with ALL of them), then just post here, and I'll do my best to clear up my explanation.


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</font>He complained once about an ad that he thought said something offensive,when in reality it was just a normal wording.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - vlad

Oh -- when was this?

It doesn't really matter to me. I have made many mistakes in my time -- I'm sure that you have too. I normally do my best to apolygise for them. If I didn't in this case, then just say so, and I'll do so now (or in a new thread if you wish) -- assuming that I agree with you in that I really made a mistake.


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</font>I have no problem with people having a view point on ads,but when a 13 year old begins to demand ads be taken off just, well its a bit silly and childish.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - vlad

Couldn't resist putting the '13 year old' bit in there someware, could you vlad? When you say it that way, it sounds like you think that I don't know what I'm talking about becasue I'm 13 -- or that were I not 13, something would be different.


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</font>Ada tends to get riled up pretty easy,and he doesn't seem to mean any harm,but he sometimes likes to think Apolyton is his private web site.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center> - vlad

And now you speek of me as though I were a meer child (don't get me young -- I really am still a child), and you my repremending adult. I guess this goes under the 'age comment', which I earlier reserved the right to not comment on.

There is one thing, however ageist the rest of the comments may be, which I need to say something about. I get 'riled up pretty easy', hay? I'm actually going to tell you that you're right -- when it comes to issues that I feel strongly about, I do get
'riled up'. But I don't get 'riled up' about anything, so please don't leave that impression.


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Unfortinatly, I'll be going away for a few weeks (in a few days). I probably won't be able to get on this thread -- but I'll bookmark it, and will respond to every comment that I otherwise would have when I return. Please, keep conversation on this thread going -- I'll be back.

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adamada@springmail.com
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<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by adaMada (edited July 07, 2000).]</font>

[vlad]

Ada quit acting like a kid and enjoy Apolyton and the rest of the internet, quit complaining so much.I don't care if you are 60 you act childish.The things you complain about are accepted norms. The woman in the jewelry store is trying to sell with sex silly,but you will understand more when you mature a bit more.
Spend your time and effort into learning about civ2 MP so you can play me,I will give you the beating of your life or maybe you can show how adult you are by kicking my butt

[adaMada]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by vlad on 07-06-2000 09:55 PM</font>
Ada quit acting like a kid and enjoy Apolyton and the rest of the internet, quit complaining so much.I don't care if you are 60 you act childish.The things you complain about are accepted norms. The woman in the jewelry store is trying to sell with sex silly,but you will understand more when you mature a bit more.
Spend your time and effort into learning about civ2 MP so you can play me,I will give you the beating of your life or maybe you can show how adult you are by kicking my butt
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>

After reading your post, I'm having a bit of trouble finding something that actually deserves a reply. With a bit of effort, I've managed to find two things which I have something to say to. First (responding to "The things you complain about are accepted norms") -- I'm not quite sure that this IS the accepted norm. Pretty much, it only is if you make it so. Besides, the 'accepted norms' have changed in the past, and they will do so again in the future. Prehaps the 'accepted norms', just arn't acceptable.
Second (responding to the "I don't care if you are 60 you act childish) -- let's take a look at the word 'childish'. What I am doing is standing up for what I believe is right. You may dissagree with me, but that doesn't mandate my behaviour 'Childish'. If that's not what you're talking about, then I'm confused. I'm making very serious posts, and I'm doing my best to also be at least as polite as the post I'm responding to (and more, as in the case of your quoted post). I'm having trouble calling ANYTHING I've done to date childish. If you're willing to support this allegation, and can convince me that I really am being 'Childish', then I can do my best to rectify the situation (and give whatever apolygies are nessessary).


If there really is one part of your post that I haven't already responded to (mutliple times), then tell me (preferably in a polite(er) tone), and I'll do my best.



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adamada@springmail.com

[vlad]

Well I wasn't posting for reply perhaps thats why you didn't find a reason
I honestly have nothing wrong with kids views on things,but to argue being childish or sexist ads with a 13 year old is kind of useless.Your a child so you should act in such a way and your knowledge of sexuality is,well lets say minimal.The world is full of adult things you cannot understand,yet we all wish we were again your age so we could enjoy the lack of stress and all the fun of youth. The problem I have with your complaints aren't so much that you cannot truly understand the issues. Its that you waste time getting wound up about stuff I know you won't care about when you get older,rather than spending time playing games and having fun.If you keep complaining I fear you will grow up to be like Albert Speer,Faboba or even worse Djug. LOL and Speer doesn't even play civ,now thats bad .