Lancer on Banning - What Comes Around...

[Robert]

Ok, that's true.

One day isn't that bad indeed.
And those that really tried to turn the situation into a revolution (cute word for this case) are evil indeed, but free ghen !

He didn't try to revolt, he just wanted to voice his opinion, and used dl for that. He didn't even try to make those dl's hidden or something. He did exactly what I was intended to do, but decided to do not.

Change Ming the Merciless into Ming the Mercifull and earn my respect ! (I wonder if that would be the final thing you wanted my respect hey, I have to try SOMETHING don't I ?)

[Jasonian]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by CyberShy on 05-09-2000 07:01 PM</font>
And those that really tried to turn the situation into a revolution (cute word for this case) are evil indeed, but free ghen !

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Hey HEY!

The word "revolution" is getting a bad reputation around here. I'm a revolutinary here, but I don't want to see mass carnage and the mods thrown out of power, replaced by YYYH, Spink, Rainbow, or anyone else.

HOWEVER, I would like to see a bit more maturity on both sides. And I'm not talking about posts. I'm talking about admiting whent things have gotten out of hand and doing something about it. That thread should have been CLOSED after those first 5 were banned, but instead it was left open for 67 replies. It was an obvious trap. The mods should have had the maturity to close the thing! The message had definitly gotten across.

And posters... posting in the forbidden thread for a cause is one thing, but creating DLs and going on a rampage in retaliation for the ban you KNEW was coming is something else!

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The poster with the title formerly known as Prince.

Banned on Black Saturday in the name of those who went before him.

[OhWell]

:sigh:
This whole affair is so silly I don’t know whether to laugh or cry...

[John-SJ]

Have a nice break Lancer. Cya when you get back in 3 days, we'll be here.

John-SJ

[Roland]

Is this the first incident of self-banning on apolyton ?

[Ming]

No... Many people have requested to be restricted for personal reasons... like they are addicted to this site and need to stay away for awhile to get something done.

And Lancer, enjoy your self imposed vacation.
Like everybody else, you are welcome to stay or leave as you wish. I will agree to disagree on how you interpret things.

[MarkG]

first of all, Ming saying both were stubborn was his personal opinion on the matter

My opinion is that both he and I were optimistic on the level of maturity of some people, and of the kind of respect of some other people towards the moderator of this forum

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</font>I've done that myself and I admit it's a dumb thing to do, but a banning offense?
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>yes, I think that after the ban most people will remember to read more carefully the announcements

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</font>Which this policy was, banning a person for posting to a title is not acceptable to me.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>let's be specific. the rule was concerning the specific thread.

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</font>MarkG, in a way, admitted there was a problem by banning "the first five to post" for only one day.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>the first five people were banned by ming, and was an extra warning over the first one. it was one day, just in case someone didnt think he was actually talking serious

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</font>It's petty and I'm here to enjoy, not get burried in petty regulations.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>I dont think you're so stupid not to be able to follow the rules here. it's not like we have tons of them...
nor was it hard for you to understand the reason behind this rule

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</font>This is a business
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>this is a fansite, run by fans who get small to zero money for providing a service to the community(and do something they enjoy)

but in the end, I think it is hard for you to understand the simple rules we have here. you're posting this in the OT when you should be posting in the apolyton forum.
moving to apolyton then...

[Cthol]

maybe so, but the forum needed a little excitement, and it got some. And the revolution didn't hurt anyone.

[MarkG]

Lancer posted the following on ACOL
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</font>Well, I just banned Apolyton for three days...,

As usual when banned and lacking in maturity the banned hurled an insult...MarkG this time... The thread is in the Apolyton Forum 'Lancer on Banning - What Comes Around...' and although when I posted in 'The Thread' I was respectful, and although when I returned from my ban, I banned Apolyton in a respectful manner...I wasn't dealt with respectfully. Unfortunate, but from what I've seen at Apolyton over the last few days, not entirely unexpected.
Perhaps Mark has 'Administated' his offensive remarks by now, but if you check all my dealings with the Admins or Mods they are very respectful throughout this whole mess.
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Lancer, calling apolyton a business is not very respectfull, when it is not. You can not make characterizations like this when you dont know the three things related to a business: how much we have worked, for how long, and how much we have earned. You only know one thing: how good or bad our (free) service is.

[MarkG]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by CyberShy on 05-09-2000 06:43 PM</font>
Now plz free ghen.
He's a good guy and just reacted to the situation.
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I can't judge about the others, but I know about my fellow enemy atheist ghen that he's a good guy.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>he made a third dl on sunday after I had announced the penalties to post "hey mark, you missed one my logins"
what did you expect me to do after that, and what kind of precedent would I give if I let it be?

[MarkG]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by CyberShy on 05-09-2000 01:50 PM</font>
lines like: "My opinion is that both he and I were optimistic on the level of maturity of some people"
and: "I dont think you're so stupid not to be able to follow the rules here. it's not like we have tons of them..."

are really not applicable for this situation!
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>line 1: lots of other people(aming them some who posted on the thread) characterized their act as stupid, dumb, etc. immaturity, especially when we're talking about a thread like that, is not far away
line 2: I mean it. Lancer has proven all this time not to be so stupid not to be able to understand the simple, common logic, rules that we have here
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<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>not impossible at all. it was maintained for 40 logins. point proven, thread closed...
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<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>did you make a count on that, to say "most"?
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</font>A very minor thingy. Some people just showed their disrespect for that rule
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>actually, they just wanted to test the limit. we made the error to give them a new toy to play...
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</font>and later much more people showed their disrespect for the punishments that were given for breaking such a small silly minor not important weird rule.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>and from that kinf of people I expected to follow one of the basic rules of forums, dear cybershy: POST IN THE RIGHT PLACE

[OhWell]

I have pretty much backed Ming and the administration on most of the little Apolyton crisis's in the past, but this one is just beyond belief.

On my browser, the last line that shows up without scrolling is "This thread is meant only to point out this new rule." That "sounds" like the end of a post. The line "ANYBODY THAT POSTS TO THIS THREAD wanting to discuss this issue (or just posting their normal spam) will get a vacation" is off of the bottom of the screen.

I was out racing Saturday and noticed the thread that night when I was checking e-mail. I already knew about the 150 limit, so I didn't bother to read the whole thing. I hadn't noticed the do not post here line.

My point here is that (IMHO) this was a poorly designed post. The "killer" point, that posting in the thread earns a vacation, was not immediately obvious to someone opening the thread. So a casual reader could easily miss that point. Especially if intending to post on the second page. The restriction on posting in the thread should have been the first line in the thread.

That said, most of the people who did post were fully aware of the edict not to post in the thread. Those using double logins to post were way out of line. However, I feel that the "damage" could have been reduced by simply locking the thread when it became obvious that is was acting as a magnet for "misbehavior". IMHO, that is what Ming should have done rather than setting up a situation that resulted in the banning of almost 30 people.

This whole issue is an incredibly silly thing to cause so much upset (on both sides of the "issue"). But, then again, I always have been attracted to Apolyton mainly for the comic value. I haven't been disappointed yet!

[ghen's 5th DL]

Cybershy, thanks for sticking up for me and all, but I deserve what I get At first, I posted in 'that thread' because of the principle. But Ming somewhat backed down so I'm happy No, I made DL's to have fun.. Hope you enjoyed them
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Hey, Just out of curiosity.. Who banned these individuals?

ghen's philosophical DL
spoon made of silver
ghen's 3rd DL
BrettH

We know Ming got my 5th one, but what about the others? spoon was made at work, but with ghen in the email addy (oops) so I think Markos got to that one..
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by ghen's 5th DL (edited May 10, 2000).]</font>

[Ming]

Sigh... DL disabled...

Come on Ghen... Haven't you had enough fun yet with DL's

And thanks for at least making them easy to spot...

[The Mad Monk]

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</font>Lancer has proven all this time not to be so stupid not to be able to understand the simple, common logic, rules that we have here

not impossible at all. it was maintained for 40 logins. point proven, thread closed...
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Oh, where to begin? Markos, what are you trying to prove here? That your neck is stiffer than everyone else's? Yes, Lancer is not too stupid to understand the rules, that was never the point! The point was, the rule was not logical to begin with. It was as if the speed limit of a stretch of highway suddenly dropped by thirty mph. People are used to posting on anything that hits OT, and such a rule out of the blue could certainly be expected to be missed by some, ignored by others, and protested by still others. What Lancer, myself, and certain others did was in response to the treatment of those who honestly missed it, because there was no way to expect it.

As for your second comment, all that proves is that you're willing to support unlogical, nonsensical rules to a unjust extent. That is a hallmark of tyranny.