Civ Demographic Question

[VetLegion]

Hi administrators!

I have a question. Civ series are sold in millions of copies. Many people are connected on the internet. So how is it possible that this site has only some 6000 registered members and similar with sidgames. All in all (some overlap I think) there are no more than 10000 registered civ posters on the entire internet.

What did I got wrong? Is there another site? Are there massively visited newsgroups or mailinglists?

Where are all these people?

( little note to webmaster: It may help if you put "sex" and some other keywords in some meta tags )

But seriously...any oppinions? Why are civers so asocial ?

[MarkG]

somes facts

1) civ2 has sold a total of 2.5mil copies according to microprose press releases. that is probably for the whole series during the last 4 years

2) smac and ctp sold around 0,5 mil each

3) apolyton is being visited by over 40,000 unique people each month. adding up the number for each month(which of course can be the same people) from october 1999 to april 2000(a period of 7 months) we got about 0,25mil unique visits(if we talk about pageviews, it's a couple milions)

since not all people who bought a civ game in the last year are
a) playing it still
b) have internet access
c) are interested in checking a fan site for something extra
I think we're at decent levels

ps. dont look at the sidgames numbers(no offence meant). it envolves more games, a couple thousands logins were from the old owo(firaxis) forums and the system that forces you to register in order view a thread is definately increasing the number of people who register.

[Comrade Dan]

You also forgot Markos that many of the 6000+ members are DL's, one time posters and lurkers...as well as vacationers and pernamently banned...

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[MarkG]

on DL's, not that many as you may think...

there are 3 permanently banned, and in a few hours only 5-6 on vacation

know you facts if you're going to imply something...

[Ari Rahikkala]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by MarkG on 05-08-2000 07:26 PM</font>
if we talk about pageviews, it's a couple milions

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Hmm... There's an ad on about every page and you get paid per view of the ads... Let's do some maths : Say you get $0,001 per ad view(I think it's reasonable). $0,001 times 2.000.000 makes $2000 per year. Gamestats, I think, takes a lot away from that. So, MarkG and DanQ get about $1 from administrating Apolyton, once in 7 months .
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by LightEning (edited May 09, 2000).]</font>

[Scouse Gits]

Out of idle curiosity, Markos, do you have a handle on how many unique people visit the Forum each month?


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[MarkG]

specifically the visitors of the forums, no.
I can find out the active posters though...

[Scouse Gits]

Shame, but active posters would be interesting (at least to me). thanks

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[VetLegion]

Thanks for interesting numbers.

I think there is still potential to grow. India and China are getting on-line, and those folk never looked very real-time action to me. In fact, from what I know about chinese philosophy, we can expect a boom of new civers from the east any time now. ( I cant wait to see someone in the forums who spells as bad as me )

[sammyboy7]

btw, mark, what DO you get for apolyton per year?...

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<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by sammyboy7 (edited May 10, 2000).]</font>

[sammyboy7]

so anyway, mark.. come on, you have to tell us...

[MarkG]

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Scouse Gits on 05-09-2000 10:37 AM</font>
Shame, but active posters would be interesting (at least to me). thanks
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some numbers(the term "used" means either posting or just creating a login without using it)
total logins: 5941
logins which were last used sometime in 1998: 0
logins which were last used sometime in 1999: 3025
which means
logins which were last used sometime in 2000: 2916

also
logins which were last used sometime in march 2000: 466
logins which were last used sometime in april 2000: 556
logins which were last used sometime in may 2000: 898

<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by MarkG (edited May 12, 2000).]</font>

[Scouse Gits]

Thank you, Markos - most interesting and somewhat surprising (I would have guessed only half of that)

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[Narck]

Very interesting...

When exactly did the forums first start off? Amazing that everyone who registered in 98 posted at least till 1999.

[adaMada]

Very interesting.

((That last statment sounds repetative, dosen't it... ))

You ought to keep a monthly or bi-monthly thread which keeps track of things like this. Or, alternitavly, you could create a plae where this info is listed on the web page. Some of the info is avaliable to all of us mear mortals (like how many current logons), but others (like how many handles used in each month) are not. Just an idea...



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