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  • #31
    If I may suggest something, all of us going up the same tech path will be counterproductive. As the drones and Hive will be slower researchers, the number of techs we will need to be gifted to assist in getting to enviro ec will be high and would just shaft our tech rates.

    I propose that have two teams of two -- uni and ceo are faster and will head for crawlers and enviro ec-- while the drones and I head up the military path to get HEC and DAP. This way, each group can avoid any techs they do not want. As an example, my Hive uses police and would likely not need or want social psych until later game and ethical calc is hardly a priority for us either. The economic guys can avoid applied physics, doc mob and doc flex until they want them but still have airpower.

    qantaga knows that we used this technique in Democracy in Peril wher my drones were obtaining airpower for the group around the same time as the Uni-morgan combo donated enviro ec.
    You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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    • #32
      I think I can agree to that. We need to hear from the Provost, however.

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      • #33
        If he is not, then we have a situation where the 3 of us together could leave even the uni in the tech dust.

        The harder question in all this is what happens if we manage to defeat the aliens-- could be interesting.
        You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Mongoose
          What about SPs? Disagreement over projects is one quick way to kill tech sharing agreements, in my experience.
          This is an interesting question, especially when added to Flubber's question about what happens if/when we defeat the aliens.

          Perhaps for the SPs, we can all "claim", either diplomatically or by some other method, one early SP each. Then, once we all have IndAuto, EnvEcon and D:AP in hand, the SPs will be open game (subject to faction negotiations, of course). These three techs might also serve as a pre-determined time for all of us to re-evaluate our mutual Pacts. I am open to any suggestions.

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          • #35
            Good questions all


            I will be completing centauri ecology next turn and if anyone has it, the gift would be appreciated and returned. Longer term, just thinking . . ..

            uni would likely go for the VW but the rest are up in the air. I would prefer to get the WP and with ecology next turn I would have a strong possibility of getting it even if contested BUT I do not want to get in a fight over it.


            I am willing to contemplate any and all arrangements as long as they are equitable

            errr I forgot to say --2115 to archaic
            Last edited by Flubber; March 6, 2002, 18:42.
            You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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            • #36
              2115 to Mon

              :/ I knew I should have read this first before playing my turn.

              I've got Eco, but it looks like now it's too late to send it to you.

              As for SP's, I'm certainly gunning for VW above all others, at least in this early game. Sort out the rest amongst yourselves.
              Veni Vidi Castravi Illegitimos

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              • #37
                MY 2115 to Q.

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                • #38
                  2116 sent to Flubber.

                  Pacts offered to Flubber and Archaic.

                  Archaic, are you in agreement with the plan that you and Mongoose will try to coordinate the beelines toward IndAuto and EnvEcon while Flubber and I coordinate toward D:AP?

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                  • #39
                    I am.
                    Veni Vidi Castravi Illegitimos

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                    • #40
                      Curious note #2

                      Scenario starts are a bit different than 'normal' ones. In this game, I have to prototype synthametal. In a SP game, for instance, Morgan already has done so.

                      As a sidelight on a very old debate, there is some support to permitting the reverse engineering of the rover chassis from planetary nets. Consider: if you get planetary nets before D:M, and for example Applied Physics before D:M, and you have already built a 2-1-1 infantry unit, when you do get D:M, you find that there is no prototype cost for a recon rover. Hmmm... Sometimes, especially as Morgan or Deidre, you WANT to have as many prototype rover chassis units as you can build, for the morale benefit. (IIRC Vel espoused this very thing in his guide.)

                      Just food for thought.

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                      • #41
                        2116 to archaic

                        I sent centauri ecology to qantaga and have chosen doc mob as my next research choice (applied physics was not an option anyway).

                        Qantaga, since you have ind base anyway, perhaps you can go for applied physics and HEC (when your research starts). By then we can jump in with mongoose and archaic (who probably will have crawlers by then) in getting to genesplicing (which both beelines need and is a handy tech anyway)

                        Just a suggestion, let me know what you think. As for other tech gifts, I guess I will request those that I want. I will take planetary networks as soon as I build up another 40 ec to switch to planned
                        You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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                        • #42
                          2116 to Mongoose.

                          I should have Planetary Networks in 2 turns, and I'll likely follow that with Social Psych and SOTHB.
                          Veni Vidi Castravi Illegitimos

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                          • #43
                            MY 2116 to Q.

                            Got Ind. Econ., switched to FM. Options were D:M, Prog. Psych., Biogenetics, Infonets, and Applied Physics. I chose Biogenetics. Can you send that to me in the next 3 turns, Archaic? I think I'll discover it in 4 turns otherwise. Hopefully, the next set of options will have something on our line.

                            I also sent 30 ec to Flubber, to help cover the SE change cost. Archaic, you can send him planetnets as soon as you get it, he's all set to go PLANNED now.

                            Y'all sure are getting some nice pod pops, I must say! I just popped my first this turn and turned up an energy bonus tile...on a river, no less.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Mongoose
                              I just popped my first this turn and turned up an energy bonus tile...on a river, no less.
                              Very nice, Vel's mythical "holy grail" square.

                              Unfortunately, my only two tech choices were D:Mob and InfoNets. Since D:Mob is on the path to D:AP and InfoNets isn't, I chose D:Mob. Flubber and I will just have to do a little tech two step for the next tech.

                              2117 to Flubber.

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                              • #45
                                2117 to archaic

                                Thanks gang

                                Archaic-- is it not possible to get a chance at ind auto as your next tech ?? . Mongoose can gift you ind ec and you are researching planetary net. . . is it your plan to get crawlers before heading for restrictions lifting?

                                qantanga
                                Your available choices were not ideal for our plans but i will gift you doc: mob when i get it and then perhaps one of us will get app physics as a choice.
                                You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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