Battlefield Earth - Turn Reporting Thread

[Mongoose]

To clarify: I meant if I didn't get the Virtues, I would then go to war to get the Xenodome. (Of course, it's a bit late after somebody else builds it.) Because, without the Virtues+Brood pits, FM gets to be too much a pain in the backside later. The additional living space is nice, too...puts my bases on a virtual par with all of yours, sizewise.

But, failing to get the Virtues, I'll be moving to Green/Wealth. Then the Xenodome (and the NA, actually) become much more valuable!

This is all coming to a head now because you have already begun to open up a significant lead. PTS can be devastaing when properly used...you have done so.

Still need to hear from Archaic. I'm not sure which way we ought to go from here.

Edit:PS. Flubber, when you posted that long post, did you also pass the turn?

[Flubber]

2166 to archaic

had not seen the turn at that point but now I have.

I agree the PTS is valuable. Although less so for the easy boomers IMHO. I know my pop lead will dissipate but I will continue my "PTS pop boom" as long as I can.

As for my "lead", I'm not sure what you mean by bringing matters to a head. Do you see my perceived lead as a threat to or a reason to end our alliance ??


I understand your Sp reasoning-- since I never FM as Yang my needs are different but they do result in a liking for the AV. Bust as I said before, I will give that up and take another of the SPs.

Q ??archaic ?? what do you folks want to do ??

[Archaic]

2166 to Mongoose

I'm in much the same position as Mongoose when it comes to SP's. If I fail to get the AV, then I'll be going towards Xenodome. As always with the Univ. the HSA is important to me also. As for others, I'll take them if and when the opportunity arises, but not if it means sacrificing the above.

[Flubber]

so you 2 (or 3?) can argue over who gets the AV and xenoDome


More generally, I like the virtues as the Hive but never really stressed it as anyone else . . . and the xeno dome is really low on my list.

hmmmmm , for other games, I can see that I will have to re-evaluate those SPs since they seem to be held in such high regard. But for this game-- take-em

If no one objects then, I would take the PEG.

[Mongoose]

2166 to Q.

No time to post more now. Later. (nicotine fit, must go to store!)

[Mongoose]

I didn't spend 20+ turns researching Progy Psych and now Adaptive Econ to give you the PEG, Flubber.

Henceforward, all technology exchanges with Morgan Industries will be done on a case by case basis. If anybody figures I owe them, email me.

You're all welcome to whatever projects you can snare, as far as I'm concerned. I'll do likewise.

Guess that answers:

Do we compete for the SPs we want or do we each choose somehow? I worked on the assumption that they were all fair game unless we agreed otherwise. How do others want it to work?

for my part.

[Flubber]

As I said several times, I am willing to pick last and said I would take the PEG if "no one objects". Obviously you object and in a free for all will get the PEG. I don't mind but would have ceded the PEG to you in a selection process anyway in the name of keeping the alliance . . . its just that I recalled you mentioning the AV, Xeno, and HSA -- perhaps I just misunderstood or forgot..


As for giving away tech, I spent 15 years researching airpower and gave it away, which then put qantaga in the position to snare MMI first and the CBA since he had accrued research to apply. We are all in pretty much the same boat there-- I could have kept airpower and been the first to MMI ( in retrospect I am not terribly sad for snagging the CF that way) -- perhaps you saw me as a "poacher" but only my tech gift allowed him to get there first anyway -- ( and that was based on tech gifts and efforts from everyone else for that matter so I would have seen you or archaic as equally "entitled" )--


it seems like you plan to tech hoard from now on and its the end of the 4 way alliance. I am sad to see its passing and would still like to see if there are opportunities to keep it alive -- or perhaps a 3 way arrangement, . . guys ??. If it is to die then I will check the tech situation to see what is up and will email you accordingly if I feel there is an old tech you should give or ones I have that you are entitled to.

[Mongoose]

Originally posted by Mongoose
I rather thought you had your eyes on the Datalinks. since you're researching Cyberethics. Likewise, I'm researching Prog. Psych so I can follow with Adaptive Econ and Planetary Econ. Morgan, dontcha know?

Possibly unclear here. Adaptive Econ is a goal of itself, not merely a stepping stone.

Originally posted by Mongoose
I haven't given much thought to MCC, HSA, or TOE(!)

?? I made and make no claim to the HSA.

Does it follow that the alliance ends because tech sharing isn't an all for one?

Wouldn't have thought so. Maybe so.

[Flubber]

Sorry about the HSA inclusion -- I was posting based on my memory of what you said rather than scrolling back through posts -- all to get to the point that I would step aside on The PEG if we would happen to continue techsharing

That still leaves open the possibility of a free-for all for an SP among anyone who has not undertaken not to go for it. I promised not to go after the Neural Amplifier for example and on that theory anyone else requesting the gift of that tech should make the same promise.

As for the alliance, I am open to suggestions. But we need to define it somehow. All of us cannot win, after all and I think for an alliance to work it has to have some objectives and parameters. I'm not looking for much but an idea as to how and when our alliance ends, what our basic obligations are and some basic ideas as to how we handle SPs would be nice.

[Qantaga]

Ouch!...my head is spinning. I leave early for work, have a long day on the road and come back to a raging debate.

I will need to sleep on this before trying to sort out my feelings on the whole alliance/SP issue.

2167 sent to Flubber.

[Qantaga]

Oh, and...

Originally posted by Flubber
As for giving away tech, I spent 15 years researching airpower and gave it away, which then put qantaga in the position to snare MMI first and the CBA since he had accrued research to apply.

While this is literally quite true, please remember that the only reason the Drones were in position to build this one, and felt fairly comfortable in doing so, was because we were shut out of all the early projects. The CBA is our one and only project. As I have said all along, I am not overly concerned about projects, but I would like some.

[Flubber]

Qantaga

I have no objection to your acquisition of the CBA (my favorite) for the very reason you cite. I knew if I gifted you airpower that you would almost certainly get the CBA but that struck me as fair. I was just using it as an example against the idea that a person is more "entitled" to an SP if they are first to research its tech, if they have been gifted the prerequisites in a techshare environment.

I have the turn and should be able to play in 3-4 hours

[Flubber]

2167 to archaic

[Archaic]

2167 to Mongoose

[Mongoose]

2167 sent to Q.

Hope the file is all right. I got a blue screen when exiting SMAX. The sav file was in the folder I saved it to, and it seems to be the right size. (3 bits larger than the one I got from Archaic)