Turn Tracking Thread of Mabb: 2

[Hercules]

Original Players


arborman - University of Planet
knowhow2 - Peacekeepers
Bella Hella - Cyborg Consciousness
Black Sunrise - Free Drones
AI - Hive, Believers and Pirates


Thinker level.
Current players

Flubber - University
Hercules - Peacekeepers
Darsnan - Cyborg Consciousness
Lazerus - Free Drones

[Hercules]

Turn 2235 to Darsnan

[Hercules]

Turn 2236 to Darsnan Attached.

This is the second turn and email returned by your Web server/ISP. Something about Road Runner security. Is it temporary or a permanaent Block?

My other email, turns and sends to other people seem to go Ok

[Flubber]

I thought I was a replacement in this one -- My memory must be failing me

[Darsnan]

Originally posted by Flubber
I thought I was a replacement in this one -- My memory must be failing me

You are in this one - read the whole message at the beginning of the thread.
I almost missed this, as I am not subsscribed to this thread, and I haven't been checking posts as much as I used to. I'll see about pushing this turn tonight along with my others. btw I will be OOT from Thursday morning est till Saturday evening-ish. FYI.


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[Flubber]

Originally posted by Darsnan


You are in this one - read the whole message at the beginning of the thread. D

I doubt my memory sometimes but not my eyesight. I WAS listed as an original player. I think that the little edited tag means that hercules fixed the original post after my comment.

[Darsnan]

On to the Drones.


btw, I will be OOT from Thursday morning till Saturday evening-ish. FYI.


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[Lazerus]

Turn sent.


So humiliating, im going to be killed by worms ... and damn you're lucky i didnt have a SAM unit for after i gassed that base to death darsnan

[Flubber]

Turn sent on

Ya Laz your atrocity tactics were the biggest factor in bringing you to the brink of elimination. We all have to deal with the after-effects and I am beginning a major land raising campaign

[Darsnan]

Originally posted by Lazerus
So humiliating, im going to be killed by worms ... and damn you're lucky i didnt have a SAM unit for after i gassed that base to death darsnan

Its absolutely amazing/ absurb that even though I had no base this turn, I could still launch my aircraft on offensive missions into the remaining Drone cities!?!

Hmph. Anyways, turn away to the diminishingly effective Drones.....

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[Lazerus]

Turn sent.

Flubber you can stop with the propoganda, you took the opportunity to break a treaty and remove a rival before his defenses were up, simple as that. As for the atrocity tactics, they merely ensured that i survived abit longer, did abit more damage and that my memory will be a ***** for you all to have to deal with

Darsnan: I gassed more then last turn, you especially im going to hurt for breaking a pact after telling me we had good relations. The PK's have now overtaken you in the charts


*can see a pale rider upon a pale horse.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Lazerus
Turn sent.

Flubber you can stop with the propoganda, you took the opportunity to break a treaty and remove a rival before his defenses were up, simple as that. As for the atrocity tactics, they merely ensured that i survived abit longer, did abit more damage and that my memory will be a ***** for you all to have to deal with

*can see a pale rider upon a pale horse.

wll yes, I did see an opportunity but my assessment was that you could have held out longer by conventional means . .. You razed your own bases before I was in any position to take them.

I actually felt a little bad about hitting at you so soon after you joined the game but the game was too far advanced. Giving you an opportunity to establish yourself would have probably meant your victory.

[Flubber]

That pale rider is coming closer-- On my turn I took the second-last base of the drones but I was unable to reach the final base so I cannot claim that Laz must eradicate his last base. If either of the other 2 players are able and willing to take out Laz's last base, this ability will end his faction's involvement and he will have to immediately disband all units and eradicate his last base to avoid the player elimination bug. I am hoping someone can get the base as otherwise those choppers will pile up more atrocities.


AS for rising sealevels-- I have proposed the raising of a solar shade-- THus far, myself and the 3 AI have all voted aye. I have never been sure of the exact effect of this but I hope to counter-act the worst of the rises and give everyone time to deal with them. AS for worms, my empath choppers find them quite yummy and hope to find a bunch more in Laz's former territory

2238 to hercules

[Lazerus]

everytime i flew a chopper nearby one of the conquered bases i saw a jump trooper and a good needlejet or something and knowing my own bases were not properly prepared the defender in there would have died and the base would have been taken next turn, hence i decided to lose that bases one turn extra alive and take away some of the benefit you would have gained.
BUT if you now look at the position of my remaining bases you cannot reach them by a jump and ive destroyed all conc bases within jump range my analysis is that ive lenghtened my time alive by around 4-6 turns.

I'm really surprised the drones were not destroyed earlier, as ive said their tech rate was nice but my god for an industrial faction having only a handful of bases above 10-15minerals at this stage and no defenders was very poor, so yes with the crawlers and unit upgrading i started another 10 turns without war i think i could have stayed with you until near transcendance, not having infiltrator on anybody was an annoyance aswell.


If anything i think not using chem warfare earlier was my mistake, when you landed i should have had a probe and X-8*2 chopper straight to the site, have the probe remove half your hp and then gas the base, since conventional chaos isn't enough against silksteel.

As for solar shade that lowers sea levels by 333m over 20years, currently sea levels are rising by something like 1000m over 20years and aslong as im alive theres 4 more pops each turn

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Lazerus
everytime i flew a chopper nearby one of the conquered bases i saw a jump trooper and a good needlejet or something and knowing my own bases were not properly prepared the defender in there would have died and the base would have been taken next turn, hence i decided to lose that bases one turn extra alive and take away some of the benefit you would have gained.

I understand. your comment below about lack of infiltration actually clarified a lot . . you did not know what was coming and from where . . . I assumed you had infiltration-- your predecessor's failure to infiltrate would be a HUGE HUGE impediment to warring effectively as your hands were tied by lack of infoprmation-- I actually fared poorly in the early battles(took more damage than the odds would indicate) so my troops actually needed time to recuperate. Your bases with an AC could have been tough nuts to crack.

Originally posted by Lazerus
BUT if you now look at the position of my remaining bases you cannot reach them by a jump and ive destroyed all conc bases within jump range my analysis is that ive lenghtened my time alive by around 4-6 turns.

I understand the strategy but I just jumped near and walked into your second last base-- and your final base is empty and surrounded by worms as well as being inside drop range of hercules who may be willing to kill you just to end the ecodamage . Either way, I think your next turn will be your last ( except for a turn to self-destruct although if herc claims a willingness to kill you, you are dead as of that moment and may make no further attacks)

I WAS impressed that you managed to kill so many consciousness bases . . . I actually feel bad that Darsnan bore the brunt of your revenge.

Originally posted by Lazerus I'm really surprised the drones were not destroyed earlier, as ive said their tech rate was nice but my god for an industrial faction having only a handful of bases above 10-15minerals at this stage and no defenders was very poor, so yes with the crawlers and unit upgrading i started another 10 turns without war i think i could have stayed with you until near transcendance, not having infiltrator on anybody was an annoyance aswell.

I inherited a faction with no military and some odd terraforming, but with some solid foundations. . . I was busy boreholing and even now my faction is smaller and weaker than I like. I was going to play nice, thinking I could out-research folks but my empire has no defensive depth and would have been very vulnerable to a PB or two. . . . and Everyone was in range of my key bases. It WAS the construction of those PB's that tipped the balance and caused me to attack. You could PB from two directions and the empty base strategy is a good temporary measure only and very dangerous if you built any transports.

Also before I joined, I think that hercules and darsnan were warring each other when my faction was weak so I simply think that no one had really gone after the drones. I think most of us were busy taking over the AI as well

Originally posted by Lazerus If anything i think not using chem warfare earlier was my mistake, when you landed i should have had a probe and X-8*2 chopper straight to the site, have the probe remove half your hp and then gas the base, since conventional chaos isn't enough against silksteel.

a probe wouldn't work since I have the hunter seeker and besides I believe I brought a probe along with me so as to have the opportunity to steal your ground units or bases. I also put a high powered interceptor over the road leading to the first base I conquered and had that interceptor cut that road. Nothing on the ground was getting to that first base. In fact, the only way to get it back quickly would have been amphibious assualt given its position across a narrow isthumus from the rest of your lands

Even an 8x chopper doesn't work that effectively . .. I believe I had a pretty high morale AA *2 jumper in my bases ( and something like 3 of them in the first base captured). Usually they were 3 or 4 armor so I had a defense strength of 12 to 16 BEFORE any sensor effects and I DO have infiltration on you so I knew what you could throw at me. Only a mass of choppers would have worked and you would probably have seen 3-4 die with the result of only damaging defenders.

Originally posted by Lazerus As for solar shade that lowers sea levels by 333m over 20years, currently sea levels are rising by something like 1000m over 20years and aslong as im alive theres 4 more pops each turn

Four more pops-- how so ?-- I thought you could only get one per base per turn and you only have one base remaining. . . Labor Trust and its empty and within easy drop range of hercules seabase. It is generating 736 ecodamage though with mineral production of 6 ( net 0-- all used for support). Can you get more than one pop per base

So the net change is now about a 666 drop over 20 years--- Hmm I wonder how often I can raise the shade??If we can keep it to less than a 1000m drop I think we will be ok.