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  • Least used SE choice:

    (I'm not including Future Society SE choices since they usually come too late in-game to matter much)

    So which social engineering choice do you consider the most neglected? The bias for most SMAC experts is pretty apparent in a Demo/FM/Wealth or Demo/Green/Knowledge model, or something akin to it. Even momentum factions end up employing relatively liberal SE choices.

    Personally, I think Fundamentalism has to be the least used. Most SMAC players seem to be research obsessed and the idea of deliberately curbing it is abhorrent. Also, the associations of Fundy with Miriam aren't easily overcome, given the almost universal vehemence towards the red-haired priestess.

    Police State I imagine is a close second because its inefficiencies are difficult to stomach, and the majority of players consider this drawback outweighs the POLICE/SUPPORT upside. I think Police State edges out Fundamentlism in use because Yang can use his Government of choice with impunity, but Miriam cannot.

    Power is another SE you don't see mentioned in player strategy threads. The hit to the industry is just too much to bear.

    Although personally I try to give all of these maligned and neglected SE choices a fair shake. I regularly employ a Fundamentalism government early game if I'm at war; it really helps with probe skirmishes and storming the gates when morale upgrades are at a premium. Police State helps tame resource and drone problems until I'm ready to make the switch to Democracy more or less permanently (like preparing the switch from Monarchy to Republic in Civ after you've secured your borders and have some infrastructure). Power I'll employ when at war as long as I have a standing army already deployed and on the march.

    So what are your thoughts on the most rusty SE choice in the SMAC player's arsenal?
    50
    Fundamentalism
    68.00%
    34
    Police State
    6.00%
    3
    Power
    20.00%
    10
    Other
    6.00%
    3
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  • #2
    For me its a toss up between fundy and power.

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    • #3
      Fundi's seen an upserge of use with the Fundy/FM/Wealth probe war machine of Morgan, so I'd have to say Power's the least seen actually used.
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      • #4
        Personally its Fundy for me, but Laz is going to have trouble because he'd say Demo

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        • #5
          Power is generally pretty useless. The only thing which could possibly make it worthwhile is running fundie or PS with it, so I'd say it's certainly my least used.

          Fundie is really not that bad. Not something to stick with, but flicking into it for 10 turns is handy, especially for the Spartans.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jamski
            Personally its Fundy for me, but Laz is going to have trouble because he'd say Demo

            -Jam
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            • #7
              Power is actually slightly useful if you grab the Cloning Vats. Of course, the game is usually over by then. Without the cloning vats, nothing can really substitute for the industry hit (since it also makes rush-buying more expensive). Probe teams can substitute for the research hit of fundy.
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              • #8
                Power. Even with the Cloning Vats, I'll take the extra efficiency from Knowledge or the extra Industry from Wealth in lieu of a morale and support bonus from Power.

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                • #9
                  It would have to be Fundamentalism, because not only do I play the University at least 90% of the time, I would consider myself obsessed with research, development, and future technology, which Fundamentalism goes against.
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                  +3 Research, +2 Efficiency, -1 Growth, -2 Industry, -2 Support.
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                  • #10
                    I actually have an aversion towards Free Market. I find the -3 Planet and -5 Police something I don't want in the long term. I just see more benefit in a Green economy, as it makes it easier to subdue native life, move through fungus before the Xeno dome and sometimes even capture mind worms.

                    Unless I am using the Gaians and using Mind Worms for my military, I won't use Wealth either, due to the -2 Morale penalty. Even when using the Morganites, I find more benefit from running Knowledge instead. At that point there will be at least one enemy to fight, and I need my troops to be at their peak, without resorting to the High Morale special ability.
                    "Corporation, n, An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility." -- Ambrose Bierce
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                    • #11
                      Wealth and Free Market are probably the two MOST used SE choices, after Planned and Democracy

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                      • #12
                        I'd think that the next most used SE choice after Democratic and Planned would be Knowledge or Green.
                        Those using Knowledge don't have to worry about -2 Morale or -2 Industry.
                        Also, the +2 Efficiency and +2 Planet can be very useful once the user's faction has expanded.
                        Then there's always the Future Societies that come in at the late game, but I really wouldn't know other people's opinions on them.
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                        +3 Research, +2 Efficiency, -1 Growth, -2 Industry, -2 Support.
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                        • #13
                          I dislike Power because of the Industry penalty.

                          Future Societies are fun. Thought Control is my favorite.
                          Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost.

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                          • #14
                            Fundy, because I am always playing as the Hive or the Drones.
                            What do I care about your suffering? Pain, even agony, is no more than information before the senses, data fed to the computer of the mind. The lesson is simple: you have received the information, now act on it. Take control of the input and you shall become master of the output.

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                            • #15
                              I agree with Crimson Sunrise on 4 counts :

                              I dislike Power because of the Industry penalty.
                              Future Societies are fun.
                              Thought Control is my favorite.
                              I hate Arsenal too

                              -Jam
                              1) The crappy metaspam is an affront to the true manner of the artform. - Dauphin
                              That's like trying to overninja a ninja when you aren't a mammal. CAN'T BE DONE. - Kassi on doublecrossing Ljube-ljcvetko
                              Check out the ALL NEW Galactic Overlord Website for v2.0 and the Napoleonic Overlord Website or even the Galactic Captians Website Thanks Geocities!
                              Taht 'ventisular link be woo to clyck.

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